UFOs, The Government, and Entrepreneurs
government insiders are breaking decades of silence about UFOs from the Pentagon to Congress the UAP conversation has moved from conspiracy theory to mainstream reality today is part two of our interview with Dr anna Brady Estz founding partner of American Deep Tech former National Science Foundation program director and former co-chair of the US Space Economy Inter Agency Working Group discussing UAP technology government disclosure and she reveals a shocking conversation with a former government official it was a exCIA director that you had this conversation with so Anna when did you become aware of uh that that UAP are real unidentified anomalous phenomena otherwise known as UFO UFOs when did you become aware that they were real and what sparked your interest in the intersection between advanced technology and the UAP phenomena i think it probably makes sense you know I’d love to go into my personal background but you know I I think that you know in terms of where we are today nationally before bringing it to you know as an individual I’m I’m one person with my set of experiences to really just take it up a level and say we’re currently the United States is in a post-disclosure environment and I am so grateful for the work that you’ve done you know for for the work that people aced book is um the work that people across the country have done you know and uh that that we’ve had you know these leaders who have come out in government but just let’s you know in terms of what we would expect to come out in terms of disclosure we’ve had multiple presidents who have come out on this you know we you know so Carter you know it’s been documented that he saw a UAP um President Trump I think you know coming out before the election ction on Joe Rogan you know in terms of saying you know and I I forget his exact quote but you know saying that he knows a lot you know and indicating to the people up there i mean that’s very UAP forward and his family’s been very UAP forward um I’ve briefed members of Senate and members of Congress um and heard from them directly that the American people are ready but you know to be fair we don’t need to wait so so our government has come forward and people from within the programs have come forward people within the agencies you know have opened up and said you know what can we talk about what can we do so this is defin you know people have asked is this a postdisclosure environment i I’ve rarely seen this much talk about any area of technology you know before it’s kind of readily commercially available so how much more can we ask for you know when you have presidents when you have Congress when you have Senate when you have multiple testimonies when you have you know people from small businesses coming forward so many tremendous people have said “Yes here’s what we know here’s what we disagree about here’s what we share.” Like tremendous podcast hosts i mean you Joe Rogan you know so many of these podcasters so many people talking with their friends so I you know I just say that I’m grateful to be in what is clearly a post-disclosure environment and we want to continue the conversation um but it’s out there so I guess how did we get to like this post-disclosure environment where you know it’s more how are people going to engage who’s really pushing the ball forward who is it not their core business anyways so it’s just outside of their scope i mean I guess it wasn’t really something that captured my attention at all growing up you know i mean I think if anything you I remember kind of you would see you know there it was something that was denigrated you know I think when I was growing up i mean something you would see you know and back then there were still tabloids in the supermarket so it was something that it wasn’t seen with a great deal you know the the only exposure was kind of tangential and then when I so back at about so when I was at Yale I was the president of the 14 different schools in the student government and I had the opportunity to engage with a lot of of different people and and I guess before going into the Yale part I just want to say Americans already know this you know there was Pew did a very interesting um did a very interesting interview in 2020 I’m sorry research in 2021 what percentage of Americans don’t even talk about UAPs which can be a craft which doesn’t mean you know that it comes from off planet you know there’s there’s different hypotheses on origin but their question was what percentage of Americans uh you know believe in in life off planet and it was the overwhelming majority you know so some of these age groups it’s over 70% you know and I was interested to see because I kind of looked at a different data cut today which was was actually based on religion so it interesting to see that um cuz because I know so many people who are people of faith who are really full speed ahead on this but it was interesting to see that those who were atheists or agnostic were really high you know 77 85% believing life off planet Catholics I think you know per that snapshot I saw today for per pew were at 67% uh Protestants were at 15% and they hadn’t run it due to sample size you know on some of the other major religions but um so Americans are kind already there so so before we dive into what have some of these communities said I guess I would just um with respect say that Americans already there and they they don’t need to hear it from some community or some person you know in some office or some you know Ivy League institution that said um you know I met some very interesting people while at Yale which currently has a UFO society you know so that that community today is very forward and they’ve
you know they’ve gotten together with I think Tim Galidet recently and Ryan Graves but um that’s been a lot that that information flow like I think in New York at Yale i I think that’s been flowing for quite some time so in that 2009 time frame you know I was it was kind of brought up to me by somebody who was an ex-director of the CIA and it was also brought up to me by one of um the leading industrial families in the country it wasn’t the Melon family like we know we know Chris Melon you know through the UAPDF but you know and so the first one kind of explained to me well when I was uh you know I was at this dinner you know and then I got briefed about uh you know about aliens and and my reaction to the person was but you already knew about that it’s just what came out of my mouth it was it was kind of that you know it just felt like okay so so what and uh at that time you know these were kind of more it was a much more um cautious environment people didn’t go as indepth as they go today but you know there was you know somebody else saying okay look at look at what we’ve written up about you know UFOs and so there there was kind of that sharing of you know people were sharing you know pieces of information And then I went on and saw some things in 2010 and you know it was interesting so I think like many of these Americans who were open to you know there’s a lot of interesting things out there it just wasn’t really relevant so I think the to to my dayto-day so I was in a very um you know kind of like many Americans really busy working hard you see things and then you know it’s back to work you know focus on what you’re doing so it it was really more um years later you know upon having responsibility for some of the nation’s most active uh space and energy portfolios that it was I I realized I had been funding related research you know when when some of these fields of research came up I said “Oh you know there there’s this award there’s that award.” So there was that connectivity to just funding forward potentially advantaged energy you know and space technology so it was it was when it came into my core role you know both in the inter agency you know and some of the funding entities I was involved with in the government
so I want to rewind a bit i can’t let you off the hook here so it was a exCIA director that you had this conversation with
yeah how would you how would you summarize it without you know divulging something that you shouldn’t
did you know I mean I think I kind of did already give the summary and I would just say that you know one of the things that there’s still a little bit of sensitivity you know in these environments is um people don’t always want to uh have precisely what they’re said you know conveyed but it’s essentially what I said which is you know that the person said that they had been briefed you know and I said “Okay well that sounds about right were you surprised?” You know so it was it was kind of it was kind of that type of a communication and I I do think that uh what I do is I really try to encourage people to speak more uh openly you know about what they’ve seen and experienced um but but it is interesting that not everybody is comfortable sharing you know the full breadth of their experiences and I think we Matt we’ve been in some of those conversations recently where people you know in in a in a group of two three people they say “Yes I’ve seen this.” And then you know they don’t want to be on the air about it
of course but but it would be fair to say that that this person wasn’t told that all of this was baloney I guess is kind of what I’m getting at they told that yeah they weren’t told that and it wasn’t Clapper you know you know so I I think um you know so I think there are people who are meaningfully speaking you know from some of these institutions now so I think that if we want to go into you know where are these sources of information there’s a lot um there’s a lot that’s come out recently you know and and um and there’s a lot that’s come out over time and and I think that you know as more and more of this information comes out it’s interesting ing to see that that many of these pieces of information um you know have been out you know whether it’s in the conspiracy literature or online for quite some time already but but I think there’s a number of great people you know from DIA you know from Noah you know from from across the government you know who who have come out recently you know take that highle pew study and you know they’re saying the majority of Americans and you know if they were to guess you know believe that there’s life off planet which which I think is is a step beyond acknowledging that there are UAPs which means there’s something anomalous that the viewer doesn’t know how to identify right
so a craft that you don’t know is it off planet is it military you know that the acknowledgement of UAPs is even far more constrained you know than is there life off planet which most Americans would seem to think there is uh what was interesting to us was when we would have conversations with people about kind of a wide range of anomalous phenomena we find that 30 to 50% of people will share with us that they’ve seen or experienced some of this anomalous phenomena so I I think what that brings it down to is we really don’t need to anchor on what you know an exirector of an agency says or you know tremendous gratitude that presidents have spoken to this you know and senators and members of Congress but really there’s an opportunity if you have a relationship with trust with people you know and they don’t feel like they’re going to be attacked or stigmatized against you you can really have this conversation with just about anybody and um and and you we hear these very interesting dimensions of things that that literally you know one out of three people on the low end you know sometimes it’s a lot higher you know can speak to directly in terms of their personal experience so both some people it’s in programs but you know like we say if uh if you see the sun rising and setting you know coming out of work and some like ultra whatever program you know the sun also rises and sets when you’re at home so a lot of the a lot of people have seen these in their personal capacity
at last month’s UAP disclosure funds UAP experts panel and by the way congratulations you’re I uh understand you are now on the board of adviserss of UAP disclosure fund so very very happy about that uh but during your talk you spoke about your work as co-chair of the US space economy inter agency working group alongside NASA and as I understand it your group held a series of public events called US Space Disruptors Day i love I love that what sort of topics were discussed was was UAP ever part of that uh yes so I mean we really aim to focus on some of the most transformative areas uh not just for us R&D but also for commercialization so we and these are publicly available on YouTube but that included so I I guess I would say the the last one we actually had uh cuz I I co-chared the first one alongside NASA but in the second one we had inter agency co-chairs uh from NASA from Air Force from Space Force from DOE DHS um you know also NSF and SBA BA I hope I’m not missing anybody and we had attendees across across a wide range of agencies hundreds of entrepreneurs and really trying to share this more broadly so some of the high-erforming areas I mean we we’re all understand that US launch is leading so in terms of um bringing together some of the leaders in launch um one of the big ones wasn’t able to join us but they were certainly invited so tremendous American leadership in launch uh in satellites in communications these are important areas in space technology uh we also brought together focus on semi in space semiconductors so the potential for high performing semiconductors in space uh in space biotechnology which is a very important area we also uh we definitely had multiple segments on UAP i would say UAP was probably you know most of those days maybe about 30% of the time um you know it was something that we do see as core to several of these sectors and you know and we were thoughtful about giving it prominent placement really in acknowledgment that we saw higher levels of interest on the UIP technology than we had traditionally seen in other areas of technology and innovation and we understood that it was something that had been underserved you know so so some of that is you know improving in the private sector but you know it kind of got to the point where we were expecting to be invited into more of these um more of these robust groups of inter agency UAP discussions and then we realized we’re actually we’re the people that are best positioned to host them so you know we we took that on uh because we could see that through our networks that there was a lot of interesting progress and there had been leadership both within the government including the incoming president you know and certainly across the private sector so we did what we could uh to forward it there was also we human consciousness digital assets AI uh we had a a second date that you know went into much of the UAP technology but also focused on energy dimensions um advanced materials sustainability off offplanet infrastructure and resources so um you know we we wanted to make sure that it was prominently discussed alongside many of these other areas of technology where we have robust portfolios so I you know I’ve probably funded you know maybe in terms of what’s publicly visible maybe 5 to 10 companies that would identify themselves as UAP adjacent related or inspired or folks coming out of uh various environments but have funded over 200 energy companies and and over 70 space companies so we really were grateful that those entrepreneurial leaders and innovators were able to come and share their expertise across sectors you also mentioned that your firm American Deep Tech works with technologies inspired by UAP observations so I’m curious Hannah can you share a little bit more about maybe some of the most promising UAP inspired innovations that are that are currently in development to to what extent you can talk about i realize a lot of it has to be uh you know has to be proprietary so I would just start off saying um that you know as a firm we look to always really be respectful you know in our approach to the entrepreneurs so you know I I think having that trust with entrepreneurs that they can bring things that are truly disruptive to us and find a ready partner that’s going to help them work through what’s possible and build to solution societal impact and value for investors so we’re usually uh so we’re very UAP open and forward our investment thesis is not in any way constrained to UAP you know so we’re more looking at it from what are going to be the highest performing solutions impact and growth uh for our investors in these sectors that said we’re highly active you know in a wide range of deep tech sectors including you know we we’ve we’ve previously in our prior roles been successful with energy space tech and biotech um AI data portfolios so we’ll look to continue in those areas where we’ve worked with tremendous entrepreneurs in the past you know and also moving forward so I guess we see it’s so interesting the UAP space because on the one hand it’s still it’s still a little bit early in market but it it’s funny in that there’s so much of a broader acknowledgement that there’s potential here by individuals than would than there is for almost any other area of technology so that’s kind of an an interesting disconnect that you know typically when over 50% of the market recognizes something it’s it’s it’s very late to be early so it’s kind of a funny aspect to the UAP market but we we feel like we’ve spent time listening to some of the top people in this space so we appreciate that they’re sharing solutions with us that that have the potential to be very high performing so to kind of so very open moving forward please share things with us both investors who are interested in participating in this space and then certainly the entrepreneurs so that said you know so some more publicly visible you know work that I can speak to from when I’ve previously uh and publicly funded these sectors for many years now uh there it’s expected that some of these areas are highly relevant for space technology for energy and propulsion you know it it’s it’s very interesting from the standpoint that on the one end the some of the performance expectations and claims are so far beyond the acknowledged state of science that it feels to many people very sci-fi but then on the other hand you’ve got people in New Jersey and other states you know and and pilots who have seen these you know on a on a highly consistent basis which pulls some of these technologies into the operational realm of you know it’s it’s different from things that maybe have more modest claims but you know have never been seen once right so I think that the energy and the space tech side uh you know I’ve I’ve been hearing from people that there’s an openness there you know certainly a a relevance for advanced materials uh I I’m I’m hearing implications for biotech that could be transformative so there’s a lot to get this technology out to market because um most people don’t have you know or anybody has the opportunity to commercially go buy you know some of these orbs or you know advanced craft today so um so there’s quite a ways to go uh to get there but we do it’s interesting in that some of these you know even now consider more conventional fields uh you know there’s always the question you know on the industrial side with advanced technology of well what’s proprietary what’s um what’s ITAR right so there there is a national security dimension I’ve heard people speak to some of the concerns with regards to national security so I think we need to be very respectful of that that said it seems like there’s an openness right now so um I’m not so whether it’s a full green lighting of let’s go for these advanced energy you know the quantum fluctuation quantum energy the zero point energy or whether that’s you know kind of a yellow light i mean it feel that does not seem like it’s a red light right now so I I perceive as an energy somebody with a deep energy background that there’s an openness and an engagement whereas uh people years ago were very concerned even about the potential for hydrogen from a safety and a security standpoint so I I think that some of these uh prior concerns and challenges there may be an openness to what’s possible right now and uh there are leaders who um you know it’ll be interesting to see what what types of contributions are possible to the extent any of these technologies bear out
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there collaboration between the two and the UAP space that you’re aware of openly visible collaboration you know so some of that I’ve spoken to uh there are others who would say um that there’s been much much much more done you know so I guess if we were to say what makes sense for the highest performing capabilities so if you if you look at much higher performing craft much higher performing energy what would be the right number to put in place um these would be you know if we if we were doing the strategy today you know there are those of us that would say um these are exceptional capabilities that would merit you know extraordinary levels of investment to do this properly you know for the for the access to space uh for the access to abundant resources on earth so um those would be extraordinary levels of investment and so whether or not those um investments were made some would say that they may have been made right um it certainly I think it would have been a great thing you know if the United States has led in that historically you know and I think that you know some of the time frames you know of when you know these considerations might have been undertaken you know may or may not have been you know in periods of war you know so some of the considerations of you know what do you do to protect humanity you know what um what what’s helpful you know and who are the entities that were involved I mean the these are things that they’re experts that can speak to that and I’m not um I’m not really well positioned you know as a person you know the foremost authority on that but there there is tremendous potential for largecale work between the private sector and the government there’s also potential for uh the private sector to move forward in these areas you know and that is something that you know can happen in the US uh this is also not something that is relegated to the United States only i mean the first time I saw this phenomena was actually out of country you know so for anybody who might think I was on vacation so for anybody who might think that this is US alone um it it most certainly is not you know and um so so there’s a lot that the United States can lead and develop you know so I think to the extent things have been developed creating you know a way to to determine what you know adds to civilization you know as opposed to you know weapons that get into the wrong hands I mean I think that’s something that that people speak to in terms of a constraint but hopefully I mean today we’re seeing that some of the brightest scientists and minds are eager to engage in this so if if some of those brightest minds and scientists have been working on this for a long time to really be able to celebrate their work you know and to see what’s possible and when you think about I I remember back um you know when I was in university you know there was this um there was this professor of private equity who was talking about a deal that went down in a country in South America and you know there was there was all of this that wasn’t on the book and it was an acquisition and so the point is if if you can’t bring value to light you can’t really benefit from it fully so you know just this this point that you know here you know and this is non UAP related but there was a country that it’s like because things weren’t fully transparent the resources couldn’t be brought forth you know and that full value isn’t there so the the ability for just solutions abundance to come out of whether it’s future focused programs or you know to the extent that there’s great work that’s already been done you know I think that’s um that’s high potential but I would say because there’s not a whole lot that’s publicly visible today uh the answer is we need more we need more engagement that’s open and we need to be able to access the capital markets because um you know if you put 500k in you get the 500k answer and if you put you know things that could be transformative you know some of these large space programs you know we’re talking about you know are um you know have been tens of billions or like over a hundred billion over time you know nonap related but you know to accomplish great things sometimes considerable multi-year investments are required um so really putting in the resources in place to develop the capabilities um you know that can be helpful you know in the cases that are sharable uh that are sharable for public benefit
so so in addition Anna to to the openness you know you’ve you’ve emphasized the need for substantial investment in UAP tech so so what are some additional steps that both the government and the private sector can take to ensure a an a sustainable and and impactful funding in this area like how much money are we talking do you think
one of the things that’s happening right now is if we just go macro and non UAP focused is we’re seeing a pullback in the government on funding into innovation so to the extent that the private sector is going to come in with far higher levels of investment I mean there is the ROI there you know I mean the consistency that the government has provided over time that is what our high-erforming economic model has relied upon those federal dollars over time so so I do think that um you know hopefully you know and and we’re we’ve moved into the private you know some some of our team is from the private sector and we’ve moved some of us have moved into the private sector but you know just that model of you know you’ve got these tremendous scientists and technologists across fields across the country that many of these entrepreneurs and scientists are not building what they want to build because they’re trying to find somebody who will fund them so they can make their mortgage put food on the table they’re just not advancing the work they’re they’re spending a lot of time going out to investors so I guess I would say that if we just zoom out and we say okay for biotechnology you know these are multi- trillion dollar markets you know we we talked recently about how the US probably spends $4 trillion a year on healthcare you know if we think uh space technology you know on the low end I mean the 2030s it would be a $1.7 trillion market you know there are those of us who think that’s very low it’s much higher than that you know energy you know a multi-t trillion dollar market but also just you know we’re talking numbers right because we’re talking about investment but just the impacts the lifesaving care you know the the energy abundance and availability versus just you know people in the dark or not having you know accessible heating and cooling at pricing that they can pay you know the the environmental impacts so I think that there’s um if we step back and we say you know and and certainly there’s defense tech right you know across sectors so if we say you know what are the size and scales and the impacts and then we say what do we invest to lead in these areas then that’s where you come up with to lead you know whether it’s in cost benefits or whether it’s in market growth you should be willing to put up a percentage you know of that value to be able to capture it right you know it’s a significant percentage so if you’re talking about trillion dollar markets you know that the United States can lead China can leave nobody can you know potentially build out the benefit and then nobody gets it right you know you you’ve got to think about what is that investment that’s deserving in these sectors and then within that what you do is you say okay you know like I said be a little bit be UAP open but also be somewhat agnostic so if somebody says to you
okay here’s a terrestrial technology that here’s why this is the most impactful for energy
you fund that terrestrial if somebody says here’s something I got it out of a crash retrieval program it seems to be advantage you say well let’s do that so you you run a range of solutions and you have them bake off against each other and you make that investment based on performance i you know so I think so that’s where it comes down to you know when people are saying that the UAPs have higher performance in terms of their movement in the air then you say that needs to command attention that’s on par and resources that are on par with what the highest performing technologies are for aerospace
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you know and maybe you stage it so that I mean you can’t you don’t just throw money at it because you got to get through the stage age gates of try this but it deserves to be part of a portfolio but really the number less coming from the provenence and more coming from what’s the potential advantage and and some of these things it’s not guaranteed that it’s going to work but having that portfolio level exposure where you have that mix of high-erforming solutions and some of them maybe it’s a 10% chance that it works but if it does it transforms what’s possible from an impact and you know and also from a value market standpoint i want to talk about the societal and ethical implications of of uh UAP disclosure uh the government revealing more about what it what it knows why why should the government come clean about what it knows about UAP with the public in the world
that uh the US is the leader in innovation so we are the leader in innovation and one of the reasons that we’re the leader in innovation is because we’re not just uh you know a supporter of the people who were born here as Americans were also a magnet for the top people around the world so these are fields of technology that are rel uh relatively apparent you know to people both within the US and around the world so that invitation to do the work is out there uh the United States leads you know relatively speaking versus other countries in transparency and in terms of sharing benefits uh we’ve done we’ve done some of that hard work of you know we have a new president you know who you know is returning but who has you know told the American people you know there’s you know I know a lot you know and you know there’s there’s clearly some things to work through you know and there people you know a wide range of people want to make sure that they’re responsibly stewarding technologies that the technology can be agnostic but you know can it can it provide benefit can it be weaponized you know so so there’s some complexities there so but I think just uh it’s also something that people have visibility into and the the pace of innovation is increasing you know I I would just say you know the American people already the American people know you know as as parents you know if if if you know something’s a thing and your child asks you “Is this a thing?” you know you you want the next generation to be prepared and uh
so there’s so I think just trying to work through what are the benefits what are the challenges and um it it doesn’t really you know some of this it doesn’t matter where we want to be it’s where we are you know so responsibly working through you know the upsides and downsides of you know technologies are often they could go either way they can go um strongly positive or you know they can pose risks if misused
now Anna we’ve we’ve heard over the years all the reasons that society is not ready for this uh economic disruption political disruption and one of the things that you will commonly hear is that it would be so wildly disruptive to the world’s religions various religions that that the conse order downstream consequences of that would be difficult to predict what are your thoughts on that i think this is a really interesting point that’s being brought up and um you know I’ll just share you know that that people have and it’s something that I’ve thought quite a bit about and uh you know in in business you know we often you know and in our sec in a secular society uh we rarely speak about religion you know and about faith you know and and to be honest it’s something that you know people have really cautioned me and said you leave the faith side of this out you know and I think that you know as as leaders and just being open you know just anytime somebody says “Let’s censor the conversation you know we really should just put it back to why don’t we let adults you know decide for themselves you know and and do their own discernment.”
So so something that’s interesting is um there have been accounts of this phenomena um perhaps for thousands of years i know Jacques Valet has documented some of that you know and Diana Pasila you know has has written about her access to some of the information coming out of the Vatican so you know it’s it’s interesting in that number one you know kind of having reviewed earlier today just um the Pew Research study in 2021 I was very interested to see that it seems like in terms of percentages of people who are open to this uh the atheists and the agnostics it seems like they’re well ahead you know kind of in terms of and I’m not sure which one was which but the 77 and the 85% of people you know believing there’s life off planet in some cases they’re ahead but it’s interesting and I I want to be respectful of everybody’s um faith or or lack thereof so you know I’m better poised to speak of you know the religious faith that I know but you know I think that um many faith communities you know and and religions have disclosed some of this phenomena over time so I mean the Catholics you know in terms of an organized faith you know kind of that percentage was ticked out you know not kind of uh catching up with some of those other groups but it was pretty high and uh so in terms of you know there being paintings of saints with UFOs in the background I got to find that actual um painting but you know also just kind of you know there’s so much you know in terms of the richness of the faith but you know the the documentation of miracles the uh you know there’s you know and and kind of that interplay and I wanted to keep these things very separate you know I wanted to kind of think okay well let’s keep craft separate you know let’s not get into let’s not get into the faith side because I I think that can be uncomfortable you know really for people and even if there’s shared phenomena but you know Many of the world faiths do um do speak to uh any tribe non-human intelligence you know so for people around the world who believe in God you know that’s intelligence that is beyond human intelligence you know they might believe in beings you know so you know that process for some of these organized faiths of discernment is one um that there’s um you know people are hopeful and are also concerned about you know so the idea of um you know angelic or demonic beings as something uh that you know has been brought up you know whether for people of faith or not that has been brought up as a barrier to this so so I guess one of the things that’s interesting you know somebody like uh Chris Bledsoe so I’ve I’ve been there when Chris has through just like very common you know I don’t mean comment in any um any negative way but you know just speaking Chris is Protestant but speaking to the Lord you know and saying the Lord’s prayer and being with Catholics you know saying the Hail Mary he’s been able to bring in like a large number you know of these orbs you know and and are are they craft are they orbs sometimes it’s hard to discern at a distance so we’re talking about filling the sky type thing
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and something that So it’s not to say what is it or what isn’t it but some of those participants you know that are with Chris and there’s videos online i mean they’re very they’re very hopeful they’re very relaxed and um you know somebody you know coming from a Catholic faith you know it was interesting that some of these things that were being reported by Chris align very much to things that Catholics expect in places like Lords and um Guadalupe or Medigury so I mean there are um you know again this hasn’t been fully investigated but there’s um there’s questions of if there’s something going on with the water uh there’s question there are people you know and I haven’t had the opportunity yet to dig into the cases but there are reports of people who have experienced healing he’s he reports uh you know I mean he’s he’s certainly seeing um orbs of light that are coming in you know and are flashing in at high speed you know I’ve been there with people when that’s happened but he’s also he’s also speaking and I think in some cases he’s got photographs of beings of light so these are things that um you know you can take it or leave it you know and you can say you know something’s happening here or it’s not but this is something that I think um that has been uh both raised uh to members of Congress it’s also been raised to the Catholic Church you know so this is the type of thing that the Catholic Church does investigate and just to share that Chris is not Catholic you know so just the um you know this is coming to somebody of Protestant faith and um you know somebody that’s coming to people of you know when they’re with Chris of all a wide range of faiths or lack thereof but um you know in terms of something that um gets rigorously examined uh for there’s millions of people a year that go to Lurards or to Fatima where there were balls of fire in the sky you know that sounds kind of like orbs or Guadalupe it just doesn’t feel it feels to me that it would be negligent to not raise um that that this is something that seems very consistent with accounts in these places what he’s described is apparition you know and um and miraculous occurrences so so that’s something that if there’s health and abundance um people millions of people go to Lords millions of people go to go to some of these other places a year so it seems that rather than um censor or curtail that um you know it’s it’s really worth um having an openness to what people like Chris are experiencing and I don’t think it’s I don’t think it’s a risk you know so I don’t think that it’s something that you know people of faith you know are going to find out that there’s orbs or there’s interdimensionality and that it’s going to collapse their faith you know I think it’s far from it i think this is something that many you know probably many of the major faiths have disclosed elements of this over time you know and just that the importance of that process of discernment you know is something you know in terms of you know is something an illusion is something good is something bad um that’s something that the major faiths look at you know it’s something that from from the Pew research would suggest wow uh the atheists the agnostics are so far ahead in terms of being open to this but it’s certainly something that feels you know um that people of faith you know who have already had disclosed to them uh interdimensionality i mean the Catholic mass is interdimensional um NHI you know whether it’s guardian angels or otherwise um you know and certainly there are people that are not of an organized faith that are um feel like there’s NHI through meditation i mean uh these are some of the areas that you know to be honest I’ve been encouraged to stay away from and why are why are we censoring the discussion on this i I would just say let’s just um let’s let people decide to go into things or not as per their level of comfort and their preference right and that was actually going to be my next question so at the UAP disclosure fund UAP experts panel in your presentation you mentioned the challenging sorry the challenge of balancing uh the transparency balancing transparency over this whole topic with national security so my question is how can the scientific community and the government approach this in a responsible way i think one of the things that’s great about this country is there are different entities with different responsibilities so you know I mean some you know there there’s just that natural push that some have towards that full speed ahead you know and if things can move forward they will you know so um you know different entities have different responsibilities so you know there there are those who have um have responsibility for national security there are those who have responsibility for intelligence there are those who have responsibility for building out you know large highv value markets those that are are responsible for open science so like the beautiful thing is you know different entities can be seeing what’s you know and the citizens you know so just in terms of pushing forward and what’s possible so so I guess you know we’ve there’s been US leadership and development before of technologies that can be dangerous you know so nuclear is one of them you know it’s something that where the US had a lead others were able to figure it out so you know there’s there’s the opportunity to control technologies appropriately upon acknowledging them but then you know there there is kind of the what’s possible you know and um you know there’s there’s there are large numbers of people that see there are things that they’ve witnessed or that are possible so that’s um you know it’s it’s unfavorable to try to stifle that which is not readily stifled
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yeah that that makes sense so last year we actually we had someone from finance Eric Zidc on the show and Eric is the deputy chief investment officer at Pacific Gas and Electric and he discussed the potential for UAP disclosure to be an economic black swan event how what is your understanding of an economic black swan event and how can the tech sector help mitigate that risk well so I I guess just as we think about you know what is this unexpected you know this black swan this unexpected rare thing that can you know drive total change you know I mean is it is it really that unexpected if 50% of people are seeing it you know or is it kind of a you know how many times you need to be told there’s something here you know so I I think just more looking at it from a weighted probability standpoint of this this really isn’t something that and I want to be respectful because I realize that a lot has ch you know so I don’t mean this to in any way u be critical of your your prior guest but you know a lot has come visible you know you know even in recent months recent years so you know anybody that’s getting fully surprised by these technologies I mean I think the question would be why are Are you fully surprised you know and some people are looking at this more from a they want certainty standpoint and there are definitely fields that operate on certainty so deep technology investors and entrepreneurs strategists do not operate on certainty they operate on probability adjusted averages and portfolio theory so if there’s a percentage chance that something is impactful you know or drives advantage or or drives issues uh that’s something that people who deal with uncertainty need to be should be taking into account because there’s really no excuse for being surprised by something that you know it’s not going to be enough to say well there was stigma against it or we didn’t want to we didn’t want to look dumb because we were afraid you I mean nobody’s going to make you know nobody’s making I mean not to say that people don’t get made fun of over this but that’s not going to be a good excuse for not being positioned uh to protect your your positioning you know or or try to uh participate in in building what’s possible so that doesn’t mean everybody needs to participate because there’s kind of you know in any field of technology there’s the early adopters you know there’s the fast followers there’s the lagards um you know so so some people you know it’s just kind of stay in your lane and focus on your core business but but it’s definitely something that we’re finding the forwardlooking people certainly the entrepreneurs they’re keeping their eye on it you know because if it’s a potential source of advantage or disadvantage doesn’t need to be 100% for them to kind of be keeping an eye on it now as the field evolves how can we ensure that that any new technology that comes out of UAP research how can we en ensure that it benefits society as a whole rather than just a few privileged entities so for instance I know one of the things that you’ve we all hear about for instance the legacy crash retrieval program is that materials uh from our friends not from around here that were recovered were given by the United States government to specific entities uh specific aerospace companies uh in a you know basically no bid no bid situation versus like another aerospace company was not given given those materials so aerospace company A really benefited from it economically their business model their business etc versus the other one that didn’t have the opportunity to have that technology in their hands how do how do we how do we make sure that that does not happen so first of all I mean you you bring up a really interesting point about some of the potential issues in the past you know and I think um it’s been really interesting you know so in terms of people who want to see growth and abundance come from this I mean I think having open conversations on what are some of the potential issues here cuz um you know one of our adviserss to the firm Hal Puto you know spoke about I I don’t know how many years back This was that there was Sorry I don’t know i don’t know if you’ve heard the dogs barking
no I can’t no you’re good yeah okay they’re driving me nuts but um but but I think um you know he was talking about some of the analysis that was run you know many many years back of bring people to the room and you know what’s the impact on this you know what’s the impact on faith what’s the impact on you know on these industries what’s the impact of oh was this fair and you know and I think some of these some of these macroeconomic questions like first of all I don’t believe that people really know you know what I mean like you can be a top economist and you don’t really know what’s going to happen you know I mean these are such complex systems that it is very useful to have the debate you know on why something matters but some of the importance of bringing you know different skills and different perspectives into this you know I have my perspective which you know that’s got its its um points of strength and its limitations but some of these things that people get nervous about it’s that’s really not something to get nervous about with regards to what’s at stake I mean you I think that I think what you brought up is people say well it’s going to be a problem because you know this company got advantage over this company whereas business people would just say companies are getting advantage every day you know on visible programs you know what I mean so you know and there there I heard somebody say well and this company went out of business decades ago you know and you kind of think well you know some of these problems which you know if if you say that there’s the need to make repayments or retribution you’re looking at such potential source of abundance that it’s it’s really not an issue to try at least financially to try to resolve some of that so that this idea that you know there’s some sort of you know it’s like it’s like when Facebook you know grew its business and then it got sued it’s like well Facebook is so valuable you know it’s you know the people get paid you know who it so there’s so much more on the line in terms of you know the potential maybe to save lives you know if there’s life-saving technologies the potential you know for extraordinary access to space you know if if some of these higher you know if there’s higher performance that’s possible like some of the materials and the energy abundance if if any of this pans out you know as per what’s been related So you know and versus you know nobody does it you know or China or somebody else does it it’s just there you’re dealing with such a step change and what’s possible that that many of these things can really be resolved but it it’s so important to think about what are all the barriers you know and what are the stakeholders and their concerns because you know really it it seems like there are good things that could we could be working towards but there are um there are concerns that people have that um we need to address them head on what advice would you give to entrepreneurs who think that this whole UAP phenomena is bunk so first of all you know in many cases entrepreneurial focus is a great thing right you know so you could have an entrepreneur that has the potential to focus on so many different fields you they might they might have a solution that’s relevant for three or four or five different markets you know and then you would say you know please initially focus on a beach head so it you know it can be an okay thing you know for an entrepreneur to have tunnel vision you know it’s not necessarily bad i mean I think that you know and like we said for any field of technology um you know there’s there’s the forwardleaning folks there are the the fast followers there are the lagards so you can’t be at the leading edge of every field so I think that’s fine you know I think just the point of caution would be people really uh you know in business whether they’re entrepreneurs or whether they’re investors should be respectful and they should be open you know because um anybody who hasn’t been wrong just doesn’t have much experience you know so the the effective entrepreneurs and investors like are wrong all the time you know so to to be reforming our model of what’s possible what works so I think having that humility as an entrepreneur as an investor and you know just having that caution that if other people have a body of experience that you don’t have that they s that they know and and that’s not to say that you know whether it’s off planet whether it’s military tech like whatever it is if they’ve seen something and then you tell you know 50% of people or 30% or whatever it is you know you’re dumb you know you’re stupid you’re just going kind of come across as being tonedeaf and you you you
you jeopardize your credibility so I mean I think I would just say it’s always better as an entrepreneur or an investor to be humble and be open um there are things that I have personal experience with in this space there are things that I’ve heard from you know a wide range of people you know across all segments of society high ranking people in government you know where I’ve heard really interesting things but I’m not primary on so I think you know just that there’s there’s information and there’s misinformation in markets that’s quite common so coming through uh you know with that openness and that like if if you’re not wrong in highly complex spaces you’re not learning or active probably so just evolving your positions I think is important anna with what you have seen and the conversations that you have had with uh scientists various government officials is there any doubt in your mind that uh that we are being interacted with by some kind of non-human intelligence so I believe in non-human intelligence so you know I so that’s kind of like a starting point I guess so and from what I’ve heard described I mean there’s definitely advanced communication that’s taking place you know I think there’s a wide um there there’s a wide range of communications that would be possible and and some of that could be technology based and some of it could be being based but um you know it it certainly it seems that most throughout human history most people have acknowledged that there’s non-human intelligence and there’s a wide range of types of non-human intelligence so I mean it’s definitely something that I’m open to and um I I do believe in God and God is not a human intelligence
yeah that is that is for sure
i mean like by basic definition yes I I believe in any tribe what would be the potential national security ramifications for the United States and and ramifications in in terms of the the standing of the United States in the eyes of the world if say China decided to dump what they know about UAP first if they were to say uh all of this stuff is real we have craft the United States has craft the United States has been keeping this from you uh but we’re going to tell you what’s going on what would be the impact of China going first well first I just want to state that the United States has gone first so our president has already shared albeit limited information on this and people in the programs including our adviser Dr hal Paf has stated quite clearly that the United States has over 10 craft there have been multiple people who have stated that and most Americans can attest to what they’ve seen you know whether that’s 30 or 50% so I’m going to say that the United States has already acknowledged this and the American people don’t need anybody from China to tell them about what they’ve seen on their street in suburban America or on a farm so just like you know go to the moon we’ve been there right so that doesn’t mean that um that all the information is out there and you know if we you know not to say that there can’t be a range of reasons but if we’re to think well of people you know it there we’ve heard that there are concerns you know any technology the beneficial you know and then the um you know the potential for weaponization so you know for those that have tried to shed some light but also be responsible stewards so let’s just be clear the United States has gone first we have shared more with regards to space technology and with regards to our commercial technologies i have asked I like I said I’ve sat next to a member of the Chinese government who was um on the came to the National Mall with regards to um you know there were NASA folks there were government folks there was somebody who was a representative and leader from a Chinese space center you know and they basically the audience said you know just for mundane like I don’t want to say mundane things but okay so you’re putting up assets share some of your data okay you’re on the dark side of the moon tell us what’s over there and and what the Chinese have responded they said we’re not um this representative said we’re a new space fairing country we’re just not set up to share the data well
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feels like there’s some digital acumen in China but yeah just get get the data sharing order right so you know the United States you know I think has is already in a position where we’ve been sharing um you know and in terms of how much that gets accelerated you know there is the the safety aspects of it that many people speak to you know I think there’s a drive for this to be fortifying to civilization as opposed to destructive so I think what you’re going to see is that that sense of stewardship you know for security and abundance which the United States has done so much to contribute to over the years that you know and there are limitations on where we’ve been effective and where we’ve been ineffective but I think you’re going to find that that stewardship you know has it’s complicated when you have these things that could drive abundance but also could be weaponized potentially from what I’ve heard so um so but obviously anytime another anytime a nation leads they get to decide you know what are the parameters you know so is there going to be inclusion you know you know and participation of a wide range of entities is is it going to be something that’s fortifying you know to health to abundance like is this going to be something so much of this the focus on freedom the focus on flow of information you know the the values of of freedom you know and anti-censorship I mean the the societal openness the dynamism the United States in any of these areas that we lead we can bring those values and you know the Chinese have presented a different model for growth you know and a more authoritarian model so you know when authoritarians are leading you know leading the charge in these markets expect to see them driving per per their values and their objectives you know and and uh you know for civilizations that focus on you know what’s the interest in expanding access for all nations versus to one nation versus to those that that align um with one’s resource objectives so I I I think the United States is on um has been a you know it’s not been perfect but in terms of sharing you know technology you know other fields of technology I think that we’ve um you know we’ve done some good work and there’s certainly plenty of work to do
agreed so Anna what’s next for you and American deep tech in the UAP space are there any upcoming projects or initiatives uh that you’d like to uh speak about that that you find exciting well we work with a number of the top entrepreneurs in energy in space technology you know just consistently over time you know so we’re looking for we’re welcoming currently uh new limited partners and so there’s openness there you know and I just think the opportunity to you know bring capital you know to several of these underfunded sectors um space technology is is still underfunded you know in the United States and around the world uh there’s so much with regards to so many of these deep tech spaces and we do have the ability to uh both support some of the nation’s uh top most experienced entrepreneurs you know in the UAP space we have some top advisors from this space but also uh because of we’ve worked over time like in our prior roles with with really thousands of the nation’s entrepreneurs that we look forward to to helping bring those capabilities to bear where you know where UAP can amplify some of these faces sometimes it feels like UAP can be very divorced and if you’re just kind of looking at a sighting in the sky what do you do with it versus if you’re an entrepreneur that’s working in energy or advanced materials and you see oh you know we’ve heard that there’s something that’s directly applicable to what we do which whether whether it’s direct access to materials or whether it’s information or an idea that can help um you know really drive forward well one of the people one of the briefings that was uh so so we’re looking to listen to always to entrepreneurs and researchers and to help bring those resources to them and you know sometimes this feels very maybe there’s going to be something here wishy-washy so something that you know I’ll share that I’m not primary you know on having seen you know this was many many decades ago the technology development but something that I was both exposed to in my personal capacity and then that I also brought into the government and government briefings is if people say well this UAP technology someday it’s going to be worth something right someday we’re going to get something big out of it well what does that even mean well I had somebody share with me who was in these programs that there were many things that have already come out of these UAP programs you know and so that includes lasers and includes semiconductors and many people are going to get very upset and they’re going to say “No that was Bell Labs and this and that.” Well the indepth story on that was that when fields of science would reach a certain level what’s been shared with me is that there are programs that would say “Hey look at this.” which is 10 times higher performing
and they would say this came out of a Russian sub so I wasn’t there you know as primary to say you know did that happen did that not happen you know people will say well some of this you know it started you know closer to the turn of the century or we had this then the anomalous phenomena you know as you say Jacqu Valet has documented this goes back historically so this isn’t a magenta thing as the first it isn’t like a Roswell or a few years prior this is something that there’s a much longer term history and so both in personal capacity but then upon hearing it you know when we’re talking about this ambiguous oh you know be supportive because something’s going to come out of it you know there were highly credible people who are respected who said you know there some examples of some very major things that have come out of crash retrieval so without knowing you know I wasn’t there so is that real is that not real that was impactful enough that I led that briefing into a number of the agencies and it’s taken seriously so if there’s some percentage chance that you know whether it’s 100% or you think it’s a lower probability that some of these highly impactful technologies are coming from higher performing craft you know be they of whatever origin higher performing technologies these are things that some people aren’t going to take seriously and then other people are going to say we’re looking for what that next breakthrough is and then the state-of-the-art today in terms of what’s possible you know for us you know in the United States to advance it’s a whole different realm of technologies and what would have been possible you know in the 30s 40s 50s you know 2000s so I I I guess I you know I said that in Congress in the congressional briefing because you know I feel like it can be very very wishy-washy oh maybe something’s going to come out of this UFO there are people you know who I I I would guess would probably say that under oath you know that um you know that high-performing critical technologies which we have shared with the world you know came out of these you know were accelerated and or came out of these crash retrievals awesome well how can our audience stay informed and engaged with your work and the broader UAP tech movement well I I I think what’s amazing is there are so many people that are really sharing information on this right now you know so from time to time you know it’s coming out through official channels you know vetted by Congress you know people testifying under oath um you know there’s also you know literally go talk to the people that you know and trust you know it’s interesting that people often times remember things that they had forgotten about like quite some time ago they’ll say “Oh you know,” they don’t think about it and they say “I saw an orb you know or well I did see that craft that one time years ago.” So I think just the basis of access to insight and information that everybody has probably everybody has within their close circles of people that they trust you know I think that’s a big opportunity uh we’ve we’re trying we’re basically coming out of stealth mode so I would say on our just because we’re recently launching as a firm but you know in our website you know please feel welcome we can you know to to share if you’re an entrepreneur that has interest you know definitely don’t share anything proprietary you know at this stage but you just kind of to give us the heads up that you’re interested or investors that are interested you know I do think that we’ll probably try to be more proactive in sharing uh some of the information you know whether it’s through podcast writeups and um you know much of my prior portfolio about half of it is Bisbo and Pitchbook um you know probably 200 companies come up under my other 200 um for some reason don’t come up so we’ll have to we’ll have to fix that perhaps in the future but um you know just there’s so many great things entrepreneurs are doing there’s so many um so many important things that the American people bringing forth podcasters you know and and and experts who are sharing information so we’ll try to be more publicly visible in what we do but right now you know we’re really looking forward to the future of working with both investors and entrepreneurs in this space and across all areas of deep technology
i absolutely love that well Anna it has been I have to tell you this has been one of the most fascinating interviews I’ve I’ve uh I’ve uh had i just love listening listening to your your thoughts on this and it’s been a real pleasure having you on the show and I look forward to having you back
thank you well I’m so grateful to have had the opportunity to learn from so many people it’s um you know we’ve just I think this is a space where listening to people and seeing where it’s possible to add there’s just so much to gain from engaging with uh so many tremendous people in this space it’s growing considerably
absolutely okay Anna thanks for joining us and uh hope to see you soon all right I hope everyone enjoyed enjoyed that if you missed part one of our interview with Dr anna Brady Estz you can click here for the link to that episode or you can stay right here for some live commentary so uh first off so who is Dr anna Brady Estz now in uh in the YouTube description we go over or we have a pretty extensive uh sort of bio over who she is but I just want to throw throw kind of like the highlevel points uh to uh to all of you there just to give you an idea of who you know the bonafites of of uh or bonafes however you say it uh of Anna Brady Estz which are really something else so as we mentioned at the beginning of the show she is the founding partner of American deep tech an investing uh an investment firm in transformative sectors like space energy and biotech again she is the uh the uh founding partner of of American deep tech she was uh or is the top ranked Kaufman fellow investor she is the number seven woman uh uh number seven woman in um in investing in the uh global fund returners index which apparently is very similar to the Forbes uh the Forbes lists list so again she’s number seven in the world uh number seven woman in the world in on the fund returners index she is and I think this is probably one of the most important important things to consider she is a former National Science Foundation program director she managed $250 million in small uh SBIR Small Business Administration grants she led portfolios in energy space clean tech blockchain and uh and uh chemicals her uh portfolio companies raised 8.5 billion in follow-on funding with uh with 17 plus billion in valuations for companies such as Ascend uh Ascend Elements Appir Stoke space she was the senior investment advisor at the uh Small Business Administration uh SBIC program where she oversaw $5 billion annually in venture and uh venture uh private equity she this is yet another um really important point and again I want everyone to hear this so when you hear Anna Dr brady Estz speak about UAP versus some of these other folks uh that clearly don’t know what they’re talking about people like Nick West Susan Gerbick and whatnot i want you to really sit and listen to you know this lady’s background it’s just insane she co-chared the United States Space Economy Inter agency working group with NASA with NASA again Dr dr anna Brady Anna Brady Estz co-chared the US space econom economy inter agency group with NASA and uh she also uh was part of or or led I believe white house task force on digital assets and R&D agenda she held executive roles at various companies such as Cumins AES uh corporation leading $6 billion in infrastru uh infrastructure projects she has a PhD in Yale and a dual bachelor’s uh from John Hopkins uh and uh yeah I mean it’s it’s just it’s it’s clear when you u when you listen to or you know when you read uh Dr anna Brady Estz’s qualifications um you know that when you when she’s telling you something you can take it to the bank so you know who who are you going to listen to a video game programmer MC West who uh in my opinion is hiding his true agenda and not being truthful about uh UAP uh in my opinion sewing disinformation are you going to trust um a a a former portrait photographer from JC Penney Susan Gerbick who has seemingly weaponized Wikipedia with her group of over 200 Wikipedia editors that she refers to as her secret cabal a lady this former JC Penney um portrait photographer who uh runs this organization i don’t know where she got her training from uh runs this organization that has uh you know hundreds of of millions of of of views of Wikipedia pages that her and her 200 a group of 200 Wikipedia editors over 200 Wikipedia editors uh go and edit uh spewing all this propaganda controlling exactly what you read on Wikipedia deciding for all of you at home what um what is what is considered a credible source what news outlets are considered cred credible are you going to listen to the Wall Street Journal a publication that flat out published false information false information whose reporters that wrote this uh garbage of uh of a story reporters Joel Shechman and Aruna Viswanatha who uh in my opinion have violated multiple uh ethics rules that journalists follow we’re going to have an episode on that the Wall Street Journal that refused to publish in response to these uh garbage articles by Joel Shechman and Arunovan the Wall Street Journal that refused to publish the responses by retired former Captain Bob Salace who was the subject of their story the Wall Street Journal that refused to res refused to publish the responses by former deputy assistant under secretary of defense for intelligence Christopher Melon the Wall Street Journal that refused to publish the responses to these two garbage articles by former US Navy uh Rear Admiral Tim Galadeette Galidet i mean the Wall Street Journal uh is just quite simply publishing propaganda and in my opinion that’s exactly what uh the the purpose that’s exactly what McQuest is up to and these other organized professional debunkers in in my personal opinion they are there to shovel BS to you and to uh mainstream journalism journ uh mainstream outlets um they are there to really kind of hijack what is going on on Wikipedia that’s exactly what they’re doing at the end of it they are all there to parrot Pentagon propaganda elements of the of the Pentagon and the intelligence community that just do not want this stuff out uh you know we we see this sort of disinformation operation that uh it sure looks like the former deputy director of Arrow Tim Phillips is part of and certainly uh in my opinion the uh the former director of Arrow Dr sean Kirkpatre i mean it’s really disgusting if you think about it what these people are doing it’s unamerican it’s undemocratic it flies in the face of democracy and all of us really um you know we we shouldn’t stand for it it’s it’s just wrong on so many levels the Wall Street Journal which of course a lot of people have known for quite some time is is really just a a uh you know propaganda outlet um in many ways they they certainly have destroyed their reputation um in these articles so let’s let’s get into a little bit on into um into the into this interview uh now we recorded this interview way back uh I think it was the end of April so um but I I thought that it was a good timing to air the rest of us rest of this uh especially considering what she stated about a former CIA director but we’ll go in through the top of it so um you know so one of the things I asked her in the very beginning was you know when when did she become aware of that UAP are real and and you know when is the United States going to quote unquote disclose and and she argues that quote we’re currently in the we’re currently the United States is in a postdisclosure environment and I’m so grateful for the work that you’ve done thank you very much Anna and uh uh multiple we’ve had multiple presidents uh speak about this stuff uh you know she stated I’ve rarely seen this much talk about any area of technology before it’s kind of readily commercially available you know so how much how much can can we ask for and I think she brings up a very very interesting and and very solid point that that you know we are in a post-disclosure environment i think where it can be confusing to the public is you’ve had you know you’ve had uh former uh ODNI director you’ve had uh former CIA directors talk about this stuff you’ve had President Obama speak about it you’ve had President Trump speak about it so you have this body of of of former government officials that have confirmed that that there are things flying around in the in our skies that is frankly not from here but then on the other side of it what you have confusing the whole issue is is whatever group this is in the Pentagon or the intelligence community that is actively throwing out all of this disinformation namely via the Wall Street Journal and through through other efforts so if you know if you’re someone at home and you want to know what’s going on about this u UFO thing you see something you see an interview from former President Barack Obama and comments by our current President Donald Trump where they are pretty clearly saying that there are UFOs here and they are not from China they’re not from Russia uh this is some kind of non-human intelligence it was a former director of the CIA John Brennan that that stated uh publicly that this may represent some form of intelligence uh that we do not understand again who are you going to listen to a former video game programmer and Wikipedia editor Mick West a uh and and all of his other uh sort of debunking clans such as uh uh Steven Greenreet and uh Jason Kolivido and and some of these other clowns or uh are are you going to listen to a former CIA director or a former director of national intelligence funny enough debunker McQuest when when uh John Ratcliffe when he was the director of national intelligence office of director of national intelligence and stated on Fox News that UFOs are are coming in and out of our atmosphere and they are seeing this happen on our satellites you know what uh debunker MC West said professional debunker he said “Oh he doesn’t know what he’s talking about because he works for Donald Trump.” That is the kind of horseshit that MC West and these other folks shovel you cannot believe a damn thing that they tell you they’re not being honest in my opinion uh so uh so anyway yeah so she again she she talks about the presidential acknowledge acknowledgments of UAP uh former the late great former Jimmy President Jimmy Carter’s sightings trump talking about it on on Rogan uh congressional testimonies and briefings multiple government officials coming forward you know she noted that in the Pew Research uh and I forgot the year but there there is widespread public awareness of this uh over 70% of the American public believes in extraterrestrial life but you have the debunkers Mick West of the world and Susan Gerbicks and others who who in my opinion their job what they’re trying to do is propagate stigma they don’t want you looking into this they don’t want Congress looking into this um you have to ask yourself why you know it’s it’s it’s a good question um so then again uh right after this you know I asked her you know I followed up on her comment on the CIA director which you know the big news here is this was a conversation that Dr anna Brady Estz had with a former CIA director about aliens and UAP that was not John Brennan so again let that sink in a second CIA director and again she couldn’t give many details and she explained why but basically confirmed that the CIA this other CIA director was fully briefed on aliens and all of uh the UAP issue you know she uh you know I uh I asked um you know so I said I said so want to rewind here can’t let you off the hook here so it was an ex CIA director that you had this conversation with about aliens and she said yes and she could not elaborate elaborate uh any anymore she also spoke about that she had an extensive conversation not with the Melon family but basically uh a family of sort of equal financial stature uh that I’m assuming is you know been a part of uh part of uh you know our our country for for generations and they spoke about it as well um it’s I mean it’s really it’s really something else and the other thing too is is she spoke about her personal encounters with UAP she spoke about how she saw uh this uh she had a UAP experience out of this country um you know she personally shared uh pretty extensive details about uh what uh what was witnessed and uh it’s not my story to share but I will tell you that what she shared with me there is zero doubt these were uh UAPs that were not from here i’m not talking just orbs um yeah you know so it’s uh it’s it’s it again it’s when you have a former program director of the National Science Foundation a a individual so accomplished in their Washington career that they have conducted multiple briefings with officials on the UFO issue you can take it to the bank you quite literally can um we spoke a bit about the government private sector collaboration she again touched on that she co-chared the US space economy inter agency working group and uh she also which we’ll post a link to this she held a series of public events as part of the national science foundation called a US space disruptors day and I thought what was interesting in there is she stated quote we definitely had multiple segments on UAP i would say UAP was probably most of those days maybe about 30% of the time it was something that we uh we do see as core to several of these of these sectors uh she you know she held that first event she held another event that where UAP was discussed she co-chared it with NASA air Force was was present Space Force Department of Energy Department of Homeland Security National Science Foundation Small Business Administration and again she stated 30% of that time during these discussions was was uh dedicated to UAP i mean it’s you know I keep going back to the point who are you going to listen to who who do you who do you think is being being truthful with you the MC Wests of the world the Susan Gerbicks of the world in my opinion they are not they are nothing short of disinformation uh disinformation agents as are uh the the reporters at the Wall Street the Wall Street Journal uh we also discussed the religious and societal implications uh so I you know I said we’ve heard over the years all the reasons that society is not ready for this economic disruption political disruption uh and uh and she you know she pointed out that that from at least on a religious level that um you know that there are you know there is a long history of UAP in the various world religion literature the world world religions uh she argues that major face already acknowledged non-human intelligence and inter interdimensional phenomena and she’s exactly right um she also spoke about personal experience statistics so I when I was in Washington DC uh for the UAP disclosure fund uh uh experts panel uh when I uh when I was there as director of strategy I’m no longer there uh uh on No I’m no longer at the UAPDF but I am uh 100% supportive of of their efforts um I was at a function where there were probably Dr dr anna Brady Estz was there and there were probably around a hundred 100 other folks from various three-letter agencies various nodes of government that were all there that almost all had UAP experiences significant UAP experiences and these were I mean I I can’t say names but these were some of the most senior people I’ve ever met scientists um some of the top government scientists people from NASA that I met um people from from all nodes of government that had personal experiences with the phenomenon or had uh exposure to it uh perhaps in as part of their professional portfolio in government i mean these weren’t just people off the street these were literally the nation’s best and brightest scientists and other government uh uh folks senior government folks that said this is all real and we’ve all got to collectively find a way of constructively uh getting this out breaking this log jam so when you sit and you you you have these conversations as I did with these people in government scientists and and analysts and and uh folks from uh from you know from uh Department of Defense intelligence community Department of Energy and they’re all telling me that this stuff is real who are you going to believe it’s it’s it’s pretty pretty clear to me um you know these uh these uh sort of debunker hobbyists uh well actually I don’t think it’s a hobby i think in my personal opinion I think these folks are getting getting paid for it you know but she not she notes that about 50% of the people that she has run into have had experience with uh with this anomalous phenomena and I have to say in my experience it has been the same thing when I when I first started uh first started doing shows on this I wasn’t necessarily uh publicly uh outward in terms of like private conversations about UAP or during in my day job and whatnot and then finally I began sharing what I was doing and I found that a little bit over 50% maybe even more 50 to 75% of the of the folks that I spoke to who are not into this stuff um some some were but it was a large percentage that would say you know what I was uh when I was 10 years old I saw this silver desk outside my house and I never told anybody about it because I figured they’d think I was crazy uh it’s it’s it’s more common than you think you just you have to have an honest conversation with people and and as she as she pointed out in a way where they know that they are not going to be stigmatized or you’re not going to think they’re crazy you know when they’re in this kind of safe space for lack of a better word people are willing willing to uh willing to share um it’s it’s it’s really you know I think pretty I’m just kind of going over my going over my notes here but it’s um you know I I think this is one of those interviews where you really do want to go back and and listen to it twice because there is a lot packed a lot packed in there and I know right now I think it’s very easy for people to be sort of disillusioned with uh with the with the progress on on UAP strictly due to what has come out with the Wall Street Journal and uh and this clear disinformation um or or communications uh program that uh that the Department of Defense is clearly engaged in where they are essentially trotting out former director of aerrol Tim Phillips and and the former director of Arrow Dr dr you know Sean Kurpatre you know really their whole goal is to do a few things uh one they are uh they are basically singing the praises of the current AROW office led by Dr john Kasloski the purpose of doing that is so that it doesn’t it isn’t defunded we know that Representative Anna Paulina Luna stated that uh that the FBI had delivered the goods in terms of being honest with Congress about UAP in these classified settings versus Arrow which was not uh so the Pentagon they’re trotting out Phillips they’re trotting out Kirkpatre to basically say to the public but really say it to the lawmakers Arrow’s doing a great job they’ve got all the funding they need they’re deploying all of these sensors uh Arrow wants to get to the bottom of this UAP mystery the same as everyone else in the public now why are they saying that why is the Pentagon uh having the Wall Street Journal put out this garbage uh and and these others that are are essentially pariting it at the end of the day the Pentagon does not want Arrow to go away they want to keep it going they want to keep it funded they basically want to convince the American public and lawmakers and lawmakers that arrow is all that is needed when Tim Phillips when Dr sean Kirkpatre when the Wall Street Journal goes and publishes all of this um disinformation what they are really doing is they’re trying to kind of put out plant a seed in everyone’s mind that we do not need congressional investigations we do not uh need any other place for whistleblowers to make protected disclosure we do not need the FBI involved all they are doing all the Pentagon is doing with this uh with this communications this comm’s plan is they’re trying to regain control over over this entire narrative because for them it’s for the Pentagon it’s spun out of control you have Congress looking into it you have members of Congress uh demanding hearings you have uh whistleblowers making protected disclosures to members of Congress privately in skiffs the Pentagon doesn’t want that you’ve got a FBI task force that is investigating UAP and you know from what I understand many of these agents are now experiencing UAP phenomenon at their home the Pentagon does not want that the reason they don’t want that is because they cannot control it it it’s that same it’s that old saying of getting in front of your skis that’s exactly what the Pentagon is doing right now they feel that things have gotten in front of their skis they’re losing control people are asking way too many questions about UFOs tampering with our land-based strategic nuclear deterrent they are they they do not like they do not want members of Congress asking about the uh reliability of our nation’s nuclear weapons when it comes to UAP they are trying to bury the hell out of that and you saw that in the Wall Street Journal article they do not want members of Congress asking questions about UFOs disabling our nuclear tipped intercontinental ballistic missiles they do not want Congress asking about UAPs disabling or tampering with our sea launched nuclear ballistic intercon intercontinental ballistic missiles on our Ohio uh uh on our Ohio class submarines on the Trident 2 platform they the the Pentagon does not does not want you Congress or journalists asking about the nuclear weapons issue that is the third rail that is why the Wall Street the Wall Street Journal put out this uh sort of uh uh you know basically load of BS from um from from the Pentagon that’s exactly why they’re doing it the Pentagon wants to regain control of this whole thing because they think it is spinning out of control so that is why I’m guessing probably the beginning of the year the Pentagon hatched this this comm’s plan to push out all this disinformation they had Joel Shechman go out there i spoke with people that Joel Shechman reached out to people that have uh worked the UAP issue as part of their professional portfolio in government and they smelled a rat from the very beginning they knew right away what Joel Shackman was up to it is frankly um uh there’s no worse reflection on the Wall Street Journal than the employment of this uh quote unquote journalist Joel Shuckman and Aruna Viswanatha they’ve completely destroyed their reputation in my opinion on on this uh on this whole thing it is um it’s it’s it’s it’s it makes you wonder truly how stupid the Pentagon the deep state or whatever you want to call it makes you truly wonder how stupid they think all of you are watching at home because they certainly are acting like all of us are dumb as a box of rocks and will listen and and and believe any sort of uh garbage that they that they put out it’s it’s wrong it’s uh it’s illegal but actually we’re going to cover this in another show unfortunately uh former uh former President Barack Barack Obama did make some changes in the executive order dealing with disinformation on the American public that opened the door to what is going on as big of an Obama fan as I uh as I uh as I am uh you know what not not every uh not every not every uh president is uh going to get everything right some of them get pretty much everything wrong but uh but I was very disappointed to hear that President Obama with whatever changes were made in an EO essentially opened the door for the Pentagon to be doing what they’re doing which is pushing disinformation on the American public it’s exactly what is going on and um you know and and you have you have to wonder like how truthful are they being the Pentagon and in particular the National uh Security Council how how truthful are they being with the Trump administration you know it’s uh it’s entirely possible that they are hiding a great deal of it from this current president uh Gold Media AI thank you Matt for keeping this topic alive you know what it’s um I’m I am purely a messenger there are so many great journalists uh Ross Coltar George Nap Christopher Sharp um Mark Ron Renamp I know I’m going to leave some people out that are actually doing really good work they are actually doing uh really great journalism so you you have you have Ross Coltard Chris Sharp uh Mark Von Renamp uh George Knapp and uh and others that are putting out truthful information and then on the polar opposite end of the spectrum you’ve got this Wall Street Journal uh reporter Joel Shechman Aruna Viswanatha uh there are others in that publication and and elsewhere new York Times journalist Julian Barnes in my opinion they are not being truthful they are shoveling a bunch of lies and in my opinion I think they know exactly uh what they are what they are doing um a comment from uh learn on a whim i love that again excellent journalism great guest i’m so glad you’re bringing more to the topic uh people involved in the technology and future technology it brings uh clarity with education uh you know thank you very much very much for that comment um I think one of the one of the greatest indicators that is that this stuff is being taken seriously is you have people in uh the you know in the in the tech world in the entrepreneurial entrepreneurial tech world people with uh oodles and gobs of money that are taking a serious look at this because when you have someone like Dr anna Brady Estz who has had billions of dollars of uh of of uh finance under her under her uh stewardship saying that folks this stuff is real we’ve got scientists telling us this stuff is real we have senior members of the government saying that it’s real we’ve got uh another CIA director saying it’s real these folks are going to listen we had we had the um the number two person in charge of all of the uh retirement uh funds at Pacific Gas and Electric billions of dollars in funds who is saying to his colleagues in the finance world hey we need to pay attention to this as Dr anna Brady Estabz said in the in the interview being ignorant ignorant about it is no longer a an option there’s no there’s no excuse for it the information the information is uh is out there um that is uh that I think in and of itself is uh is is a is a really um really telling thing that that this is something that really needs to be uh really needs to be u looked at and taken seriously by everyone it is it is not the government’s right to tell us exactly what our reality is and that’s exactly what they’re doing that is exactly what they’re doing uh we’re going to publish on the uh on this page uh we are going to also publish the email address of the edi ed editor in chief of the Wall Street Journal and would encourage all of you to send her a personal email expressing uh how wrong it is for the Wall Street Journal to be producing publishing propaganda and pushing it on the American people uh I hope all of you will take the time to uh after this program and I’ll be sure to put it in the YouTube description to uh to write the editor of the Wall Street Journal and demand retraction of the story funny enough it was Dr sean Kirkpatre who who in one of his latest interviews made some comment about uh uh really he was talking about me uh who who had called for the the removal of the story the reason that I called for the removal of the Wall Street Journal story is so that it can be corrected and republished with the proper information dr sean Kirkpatrick doesn’t want that dr sean Kirkpatrick who by the way was read into about half of the crash retrieval program that Dr sean Kirkpatre uh again in my opinion he is not being honest with the American pe people and uh I don’t know what kind of sweetheart deal he got when he retired from Arrow but it uh in from what I can tell he certainly got some kind of gold golden parachute as long as he continues to go out there in front and get on camera and on podcasts and throw cold water on all of this it’s he’s I just I don’t think this guy’s being honest so um but I I really want to kind of circle back again you know thanks for the excellent journalism everybody has a role to play in this um everybody watching this show is playing a part in this uh our down to uh even our our our good trouble show mods who volunteer their time every week to to enable us to have a a a cordial discussion in the in the chat for this show all of you at home that that I know are going to take this email address that I’m I will put in here shortly and email the editor-inchief of Wall Street Jour Wall Street Journal and demand better demand that that publication retract this load of garbage there is nothing more telling about the Wall Street Journal knowing that they are publishing false information than the fact that they are refusing to publish a rebuttal from Mark von Renenamp who has written extensively uh for the Hill they are refusing to publish a extensive rebuttal an extensive letter that you can see on Christopher Melon’s uh page the former deputy assistant under secretary of defense for intelligence wall Street Journal’s not publishing that they are not publishing the rebuttal from retired US Air Force captain Bob Salis the guy that was the main subject in the story they’re not publishing his uh rebuttal uh they are not publishing the rebuttal from a former United States Navy Rear Admiral so you have to ask yourself all of those folks that are sending directly their rebuttals to the editor-inchief of the Wall Street Journal and she’s not publishing one damn bit of it that my friends tells you she knows that she is spreading propaganda she knows that her publication the Wall Street Journal is pushing disinformation on the American public if the editor-inchief of the Wall Street Journal were doing her damn job doing her her her doing her job ethically not doing uh scratching the back of the Pentagon with whatever kind of backroom deal they have if she were actually doing the right thing she would have published these rebuttals you see it all the time you’ll see it in in opeds where uh op-ed editor will will publish an opinion opinion piece and sure enough the following day someone a subject matter expert will publish an an opposing op-ed the Wall Street Journal has done none of that zero zilch that my friends tells you everything you need to know about the editor-inchief of the Wall Street Journal the publication itself and the journalists that wrote that story Joel Shman and Aruna Viswanatha because from where I stand they don’t give a damn about the truth not one flying you know what because if they did they would have published these rebuttals and this isn’t like me sending in a letter you know I’m just a talk show host this this isn’t like me sending in a letter uh to the Wall Street Journal rebutting Joel Shackman and Aruna Vis Viswanatha’s story this is a former deputy assistant under secretary of defense for intelligence this is a former Navy Rear Admiral former United States Air Force nuclear launch control officer i mean the proof is in the pudding and the proof is that the Wall Street Journal and the editor-inchief they don’t want the truth being given to you they do not want you to hear the opposing argument they they want to control the narrative and who wants them to control the narrative the Pentagon elements of the intelligence community that is that is the the level of of just abject corruption we are talking about you cannot trust the Wall Street Journal to publish truthful information that is readily readily apparent um Liam NF DP interesting stuff i’m going to subscribe thank you very much for that uh Roland K2Z Matt question what is gained by obus obis obfuscating the phenomenon why would general ignorance make the world a better place i mean you know I think it’s like anything in life it’s nothing in life is is black and white in my personal opinion there are many shades of gray there are no simple answers uh things like this are complicated they’re thorny i think probably the main the main reasons in my view uh number one the Pentagon uh the United States Air Force and the United States Navy not wanting to admit to the public that they do not have control over American skies that they do not control have control over uh what is tampering with our uh you know with our ships with our nuclear nuclear submarines the our Ohio class nuclear sea launch ballistic missile subs uh they do not want to admit to the American public that they cannot control this stuff in particular and I’ve always felt this is probably one of the one of the key reasons for this is as I stated earlier the Pentagon the United States Air Force does not at all costs want to admit or share the oodles of classified information that exists of of UAP UFOs disabling tampering ing and retargeting the warheads in our nation’s strategic nuclear deterrent they do not do not want anyone asking questions about that and they sure as hell don’t want Congress on their on their tail about it our nuclear weapons that those are the nation’s crown jewels in terms of the defense of this nation and for them to admit that something that that for the most part they have no idea where it’s coming from is able to disable large swaths of our of one part of our nuclear triad are able to retarget or scramble the coordinate coordinates uh that are in the uh in the warhead bus warhead bus um and the fact that this is still going on guess what folks robert Salace David Schindley and others that happened way back in the 60s this stuff is going on today the Minute Man 3 uh the Minute Man 3 uh intercontinental ballistic missile uh platform is still being tampered with by UAP that is exactly why you’ve got the Wall Street Journal putting all this stuff out this stuff about this EMP generator they they are trying so hard so hard to throw cold water on the nuclear angle because the Pentagon is terrified they are terrified that real journalists are going to continue to dig and that and that Congress is going to mandate answers that’s exactly why they’re doing it another another reason I I think for the cover up is the fact that for decades we have been recovering crashed UAP as part of a crash recovery and reverse engineering program an unagnowledged special access program and associated intelligence controlled access programs i want all of you at home that are watching to search on this channel for uh CIA uh and the Daily Mail if you actually if you go to Google uh uh I’m sorry go to Daily Mail I’m sorry go to Google and and Google search for the Daily Mail plus CIA plus crash retrieval you will find an article written by myself uh Christopher Sharp and Josh Boswell where we lay out in detail the exact uh uh group within the CIA’s Directorate of Science and Technology that is tasked with recovering these craft and dispers dispersing them uh amongst different contractors or entities within the government i can tell you firsthand people I had multiple people tell me that that caused a firestorm in the CIA when we outed the CIA’s office of global access which is part of the part of the group and under the CIA Directorate of Science and Technology tasked with recovering these things they do not want the American public to know that we have an a we have ISR intelligence surveillance reconnaissance systems in sk in the sky above above this planet that can track these UAP whether they’re cloaked or not they can determine when they’ve crashed they can generate a uh with that information they give that to the office of global access and can generate a recovery mission they don’t want congress to be asking questions about this folks that’s exactly one of one of the many reasons another reason I think as well is uh is the abduction phenomenon we’ve had former special forces operator John Blitch on this show excuse me to uh to talk about that that in his opinion the fact that whatever this non-human intellig intelligence is can come into your home and you can’t control it and possibly take you or your kids that’s not something the Pentagon wants to talk about that is yet another reason and I can kind of understand it why they would uh why they would um want want to cover that up and then the other thing as well is obviously the money that’s involved there you know certainly trillions of dollars at potential market cap with this uh with this technology but I also think really kind of the final reason for for this continued cover up and this continued uh sort of shoveling of horse manure via the Wall Street Journal and other other outlets is you know let’s face it this country has done some really bad things to our citizens to our um to our veterans all in the name of protecting the legacy CR program people have been taken out people’s uh reputations have been uh completely destroyed people have lost their careers their marriages their families all through things that the United States was doing to cover it up these these were all the folks that were the collateral damage so I do think that there is great concern by a great number of people that have fifth amendment concerns that are wildly concerned about being thrown into federal into a federal penitentiary when all of this stuff does come out there are we’ll say aerospace contractors perhaps uh people like um Lheed Martin perhaps uh like uh Northrup Grumman perhaps like Northrup Grumman and perhaps uh defense contractors like Northrup Grumman who uh have supposedly used their security contractors to physically harass or worse whistleblowers i’ve personally experienced that myself i have personally been physically harassed by a who was likely a security contractor out of one of those two um one of those two uh aerospace companies that I mentioned and I can tell you it scared the out of me and uh it is not something I will ever forget and it was a crystalclear message to me that people were not happy with my reporting it uh it happened the uh the uh early afternoon that our Daily Mail article went public on the uh on the Office of Global Access and their crash retrieval program i’m sitting in a at the Waldorf Histori in uh in uh in Las Vegas i’d flown there for another project the the article went live on the Daily Mail at 7:00 a.m pacific time and uh I’m sitting at the at the hotel bar i don’t drink so I’m having a soda water uh with my with my laptop going over things and there there are uh you know only like eight people in this bar it’s probably what about 1 2:00 in the afternoon in Las Vegas no one other than family knew I was going to Vegas and this guy comes walking in sits sits right across the bar from me and um I’m sitting there on my laptop and a lady that had approached me earlier who was trying to make conversation and I blew her off uh I noticed uh about 15 minutes after this guy sat there that this the lady that was trying to make conversation with me was over sitting next to him and out of the blue I hear hear this guy say UFO and I’m sitting sitting at the uh sitting at the bar uh almost freaking out going what are the chances of me sitting at the Waldorf Histori five-star hotel in Vegas on an afternoon with like eight or nine people at this tiny uh top floor bar and somebody mentions UFO so what do I do uh you know this guy is probably a little bit a little bit older than me sort of heavy set i uh and I I don’t know that I’ve told this full story but he you know so I hear him say UFO notice that this this lady in prior mid-30s was was sitting I think it was you know maybe one seat away from him so I look up from my laptop and I say “Uh excuse me i couldn’t help but overhear you talking about UFOs did you happen to read the Daily Mail article about UFOs that came out early this morning?” Now I’m not telling him that I was one of the uh one of the journalists involved with that this guy looks straight at me and says quote “No but the article I read about Lou Alzando being a liar sure sticks out in my head.” So immediately alarm bells go off in my head and I just kind of blurt out to him “Well uh you should look for the article it was pretty good.” I go back to my laptop and uh and immediately I’m thinking number one at the at that time Lou Alzando had not been in the press uh in a in quite some time uh two what are the chances of me sitting at a hotel bar at a five-star restaurant and someone brings up UFOs and then brings up Lou Alzando the former Pentagon official that that whistleblow to the New York Times that unless you really kind of follow this topic you have no idea who Lou Alzando is and um yeah so I I message uh a couple of uh friends uh that uh uh are uh from the uh intelligence community tell them what is going on and ask what do I do you know do I need to go get the cops or hotel security and and one individual said no just don’t don’t engage him and uh so I wait about another like 15 minutes and decide screw it I’m going to do it again guy is still there so I fold my laptop down and I say you know “Hey did you ever find that article about uh about UFOs that came out in the Daily Mail this morning?” And the gentleman he uh he he stands up and he takes his phone and he starts doing this and he’s taking my photo and he said he looks at me and he says “No but that article about Lou Alzando sure sticks out in my head lou Alzando being a liar sure sticks out in my head.” and he’s he’s taken uh taking his photo he puts his phone back in his pocket and he walks out of the bar that was the message that was given to me and uh that was uh it was it was pretty clear and of course I told this to uh to many of my sources in the intelligence community and the Department of Defense uh and uh uh and they all said “Yeah you were absolutely targeted likely by a security contractor for uh you know perhaps Northrup Grumman or perhaps Lheed Martin and uh you know so that that kind of stuff does go on luckily knock on wood nothing has happened since i certainly hope uh nothing does uh but but the these are the kinds of efforts that that the Pentagon uh will go to to try and silence people you know the the CIA the Pentagon they don’t use their own people to go and uh strongarm folks in person they use Lockheed Martin or Northrup Grumman or some other outfit they use you they feed that to those contractors and then the contractor uses their security contractor be it Wacken Hut or whoever to go and uh do this sort of moblike behavior that’s how they keep people quiet that’s how they encourage journalists to uh like myself and others to shut the f up that is that is what we uh that is basically the kind of garbage that we are that we are dealing with and you know and the the only way that any of that is going to stop is for all of you at home to email your lawmakers call your lawmakers email the uh the editor-inchief of the of the Wall Street Journal and just say enough is enough but you got a message to Congress you can’t trust Arrow you guys need to keep digging you need to hold more hearings because at the end of the day they want to make sure that um that Arrow does not go away bird Dog uh 5177 DOE has never been questioned or looked at publicly to my knowledge uh DOE is untouchable uh I mean I don’t think anyone is is untouchable the way this the UFO issue is classified probably around half of it is classified by the National Security Council in what are called presidential emergency action directives that members of Congress even gang of eight they do not have the legal authority to view so big chunk of this has sat has sat under the national security council for a very very long time it’s classified at the same level as continuity of government operations uh and and other things um and then you’ve got the other stack that sits in the Department of Energy it’s classified under the 1954 Atomic Energy Act and the UFO stuff is classified under what’s called trans uh transclassified foreign nuclear information under uh this the uh control buckets of of restricted restricted restricted data and previously restricted data so the UFO issue that is how they’ve kept it away from the press that’s how they’ve kept it away from Congress is they they’ve got them in these two buckets that that that no one in uh Congress has the legal authority to view or uh they they do not have the legal authority to compel uh the NSC or the DOE to show them the goods so uh the DOE is certainly a part of it uh I’m guessing probably the stuff in DOE deals with the crash retrieval uh probably propulsion things like that and you know and probably a great deal of it that should not be made public if if you know if this tech were to ever come out and a portion of it could be weaponized then the DOE Department of Energy is is right to uh to keep that under wraps that that is not anything that needs to come out to the public but what we have always said what people such as David Grush Lu Alzando and others have said is that there is a huge chunk that that can come out that the the government can just open the full kimono and I think this would probably be the stuff that’s classed by the uh NSC they’re the classification authority for that that they can give this to the public come clean and it’s not going to harm national security the other stuff in DOE that may be a different story but the lion share of the stuff under the National Security Council President Trump today could unilaterally declassify it with a stroke of opinion a stroke of a pen he can’t do that with the DOE stuff but the stuff President Trump can declassify the stuff that is under that was classified by the National Security Council so that that is what uh that in my opinion is what needs uh what needs to happen um just kind of going through some of the other comments here uh again really really appreciate the um you know the fantastic comments i do try to read uh all the comments that I can on on YouTube but um anyway uh this is going to be sort of our new format of the show we were fully live for quite some time as a matter of fact last week we were live with with retired Navy Rear Admiral Tim Galedet uh who was who was doing his streaming from his car on his way to Washington we lost a signal several times so those are sort of the the pitfalls of doing a show completely live because if you do have technical issues uh you know you kind of have no way to to fix them live on the air uh so then we went to fully uh fully taped for quite some time uh where everything was taped top to bottom and there was no real opportunity for me to speak to all of you live uh so what we’re trying now is this kind of hybrid version of the show where we still have the the taped interview where we can deliver good quality content that is not full of technical snafuss and then at the end uh we’ll have live commentary from myself uh I’m hopeful that in some of our future interviews the person that we interviewed will be able to return uh for a Q&A session at the end of the show so um anyway so I hope everyone likes this this new format i think it’s kind of the best of both worlds uh gives the the excitement and the and the live interaction and involvement of a live show while uh still keeping the stuff that’s maybe a little more technically 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Dr. Anna Brady-Estevez joins us on The Good Trouble Show to discuss UFOs / UAP and how the government and tech entrepreneurs are dealing with the issue, along with a bombshell revelation of another CIA Director as we continue to learn about the CIA’s secret connection to UFOs / UAP and extraterrestrial life. She advocates for transparency, rigorous research, and a stigma-free approach, drawing on her extensive experience in high-level science and tech policy. We explore why credible scientific engagement matters, how new legislation shifts the debate, and what real national preparedness for UAP should look like.
Today is part two of a two-part exclusive interview with Anna, as we delve into her work in bringing the UAP reality to entrepreneurs, the world of finance, blockchain, space, and beyond. Lue Elizondo hosted the @uapdisclosurefund panel, which featured Dr. Anna Brady-Estevez, Christopher Mellon, Kirk McConnell, Dr. Avi Loeb, Dr. Eric Davis, Mike Gold, and retired Navy Rear Admiral Tim Galludet.
Dr. Anna Brady-Estevez is a distinguished leader in deep technology investment, innovation policy, and science-driven entrepreneurship. She is the Founding Partner of American DeepTech, a deep technology investment firm dedicated to advancing transformative technologies across various sectors, including space, energy, biotechnology, AI, and secure digital systems.
Anna is a Kauffman Fellow investor, ranked as the #7 woman globally, in the Kauffman Fellows Fund Returners Index (a ranking similar to the Forbes Midas list).
In her previous role as a Program Director at the U.S. National Science Foundation (NSF), Dr. Brady-Estevez managed the Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR) portfolio, directing $250 million in grants to early-stage startups. She directed the commercial national portfolios in Energy, space technology, clean technology, digital assets, blockchain, and Chemical Technologies at the NSF. Her early-stage portfolio has achieved more than $8.5 billion in follow-on financing and over $17 billion in total company valuations for companies such as Ascend Elements, Epirus, Stoke Space Technologies, and Syzygy Plasmonics. 
Dr. Brady-Estevez has also served as a Senior Investment Advisor and Venture Partner at the U.S. Small Business Administration’s SBIC program, which invests over $5 billion annually
in venture capital and private equity. Her government service includes co-chairing the U.S. Space Economy Interagency Working Group alongside NASA and the U.S. Digital Assets R&D Agenda alongside the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. 
Her private sector experience encompasses roles as Director of Corporate Strategy at Cummins Inc. and The AES Corporation, where she led initiatives resulting in over $6 billion in infrastructure investments. Earlier in her career, she was a management consultant with the Boston Consulting Group. She has contributed to high-growth initiatives and a transformation preceding a $T+ IPO.
Dr. Brady-Estevez holds a Ph.D. in Chemical and Environmental Engineering from Yale University, where she was an NSF Graduate Research Fellow and President of the Student Government. She earned dual bachelor’s degrees in Chemical Engineering and Spanish from Johns Hopkins University, where she was a varsity athlete and team captain. 
Currently, she co-hosts the NASA Ecosystemic Futures podcast, exploring advanced technologies and their societal impacts. Dr. Brady-Estevez also serves on the Board of Advisors for The UAP Disclosure Fund, reflecting her commitment to transparency and innovation in emerging scientific fields. 
Website: https://deeptech1.com
00:00 – Meet Dr. Anna Brady-Estevez
12:07 – The Government’s UFO Involvement
24:36 – Scientific Approach to Aerial Phenomena
36:51 – Private Sector Innovation and Challenges
49:02 – National Security and Defense Implications
01:01:13 – Public Perception and Cultural Shifts
01:13:35 – Media Influence and Information Control
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01:38:22 – Global Perspectives on UFO Disclosure
01:50:11 – Final Reflections and Future Directions
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Off the subject, I like her book shelf. It's a mess, that's a person that actually reads 🙂
MATT FORD YOU ARE AWESOME MAN!! I LOVE THE NEW SET UP PART TAPED PART LIVE!! I LOVE YOUR RANTS SIR!! 🔥 🔥 🔥
I does feel like disclosure kinda snuck past us.
Anna is amazing! So extremely intelligent and well-spoken. Could listen to her all day!
Most relevant , timely podcast episode I've watched in a while…thanks Matt !
This threw me for a loop. I respect her and am very familiar with her work. However I must admit, to say the United States is first, being open, etc. Is just not true. Maybe if this was 10 yrs after the discovery, 20 yrs ok. But 90 yrs… With continued mocking, disinfo. Sorry. But I appreciate her, keep going BossLady!
What kind of camera do you use Matt? Looks amazing!
Anna is amazing! I could listen to her all day long. What a GREAT show!
you can summon these – they can see through your eyes
Thank you for keeping us informed.
It's all. Very well Anna, saying that the Government & private companies have to step up and get behind & put money into these innovations to get them to develo them, but unless they are shown,!!! What the capabilities are, & what could be done,for the human race,, from these entities that already have them, why would Or should they,? , they, we, need the proof as well,???
Sales pitch? I keot waiting for her to amswer your actual question. 👍
Love your channel, just maybe not this interview.
She has certainly peaked my interest as a former tech company entrepreneur from the 1990's who now has an interest in developing/progressing transformational energy technologies in minimally disruptive ways (regardless of source origin of inspired methodology, including reverse-engineering of recovered or gifted non-human technology, or the use of esoteric or occulted means, etc.), and as long as propriety methods and trade secrets related to intellectual property rights and subject to US ITAR rules are respected: predominantly USA-owned companies are allowed to lead/dominate the advancement/marketing of new energy systems and the sale/maintenance any such improved, supporting machinery- if not totally obligated to withhold such critical data or "secret sauce/s" from ANY foreign agency and their data collections, even those nations currently presumed to be our "allies".
I also felt "positive" regarding her references to a new "openness" within major investment communities like the "NSF" regarding breakthrough advancements in applied, high energy physics, etc. I was Nikola T., looking for my G. Westinghouse- so i could do my thing without wasting time on securing funding sources, cutting red-tape, doing paperwork (even a white paper), nor bartering drugs for cat food (or visa-versa). America is great when great doers and great thinkers are married and given a "greenlight". It's almost like she's saying "here's the yellow light: go forth and start making America great again". Or something like "God is on Trump's side, that of the Peoples POTUS- unbreakable: and if God is on his side/our side- then nothing can stop the USA!". I found this video refreshingly "pro-American" in it's rhetorics- unlike the anti-American propaganda that is so prevalent even in the mainstream media these days.
Good question about the black swan event,?? On there other hand, you could argue, that a whole new world event could open up with a whole new technology development, that doesn't mean that we would loose or stop using civil or fossil fuels overnight,?? it would take years to engage & devlop these new idea's with the RIGHT people looking at it,? The. People who have these crafts now have had it now for 80 years now, & yet we are still using fossil fuels, 80 years later,??? Or is it that is what the rich cats ( gatekeepers) want,!!
We have to talk about this and talk about this and talk about this and keep talking about this because that is what we can do
When she mentioned the percentages of people agnostic and gnostic who believe in life in the universe the Vatican is at 100%. Because of Pope Pius the 12th who was the one who told the US about the Magenta Italy craft. I’m sure that this is all in the Vatican archives. Peace ✌️
Matt – regular listener here and consistently love your show, your guests, and the positions you staunchly advance. However, two thoughts on this episode: as constructive criticism, I must disagree with Anna that we are in a post-disclosure world with anything approaching widespread acknowledgment or agreement on UAPs, especially on behalf of our amorphous and ever imposing government. We are under an unacceptable, decades long, tyranny of deception and disinformation from encrusted powerful government factions, obstructing facts, access to evidence, and impartial scientific research. We have had first-hand witnesses and whistleblowers threatened, defamed, and subject to criminal acts for simply attempting to tell the truth about what they saw or experienced.
Separately, from the substance of her comments, I believe Anna would do well to refine her delivery style. She has a non-stop stream of consciousness delivery style that can lessen the listener’s attention to key points she is attempting to advance. As an intelligent public speaker in a space where she can credibly lead with her experiences and contacts, she should concentrate on really engaging the audience; namely, pose questions for thought, pause, be concise, and please clean up the “likes”, “you knows” etc.
I truly hope this is received in the constructive manner intended – we need more people out front like Anna!
sorry but until your country can produce an accurate Govt audit , you have no moral high ground to preach from. I think her comments about USA having already "disclosed" are misguided and hopeful , if China does beat Trump to the punch , there will be regret .
you wont even share this info about NHI with your allies , but want us believe you will share ET tech with the world ? no chance .
Unlimited resources = money wouldn't mean anything anymore
The only way the information is going to come out is when all the power Brokers and money makers are assured that they will seamlessly continue to make money and Power with the new technology
Just release it and give it to everyone would cause the chaos that the antidisclosure ppl say "society can't handle"
Sad that we have to pamper these old paradigm people for the new paradigm.
Great podcast, she was full of good information, keep up the great news mate.
Matt, when is your episode coming out with Chris and Sean O’Leary lifelong abductees? I’m looking forward hearing their story!
Sorry Matt, I Don't agree with you about why the USA GOVERNMENT Doesn't want this to come out, is because they don't want the people of America to know they Can't control their airspace, well that's just a excuse their having on to, because this is also the case for other countries as well, it's all about money & power,, & being the most powerful on this planet,!!!
You can tell she has spent a lot of time talking to shareholders.
Matt, maybe you should have a circuit breaker too, just like Ross Coulthard and George Knapp, & Luis elisdronro, if anything happens to you, your hidden records come out, to various other media networks, to open the flood gates,???
All this talk about "investment" and making money off of UFO tech. . . it is SO SHORTSITED.
Some people are so focused on money, making money, paying bills, buying food, paying for health care, etc.
Don't they realize that when we finally learn the truth about our place in this reality, in this galaxy, in this universe, that money will be absolutely meaningless and worthless to some other beings that are possibly millions of years more advanced than us?????
We need to start thinking about what comes after money.
It's such a caveman frame of mind.
"Me want thing. Me BUY thing! ME RICH!!"
I realize that that's how our extremely flawed world works , but good LORD, what a waste of time it is.
Just about 16 mins in…man…she just drones on & on, & on….
Great show! I would watch you do this every day.
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She really doesn't have much to say. Lots of talking without saying much.
Perhaps Northrop Grumman 😂🤣
She never answered the question
People don't get it. The worldis going to change in ways you can't imagine. Institutions, governments, religions, most likely will all collapse and vanish in the next few years. Those in the system can't see it, can't imagine that scenario. But it is coming. The system is a trap, of relative comfort, but also mass distraction. People are going to REALLY wake up, and they will see where we are and outright reject it.
All that is being offered to those in the institutions right now is the possibility of them realising the game is up and over. They can get out, or fall with it. And although this might sound scary, it's really not. The old system will fall into irrelevance, and people will simply start ignoring them. Why? Because we're approaching a reality change, and a positive one.
If you are talking about weapons, markets, money etc in the same breath as UAPs, UFOs and the phenomena, then you haven't fully grasped what is inbound. The most effective thing one can do, is prepare mentally, spiritually. The future is about consciousness and balance. If you hold on to the old world tightly, and all you invested in it, then it will drag you down with it. You have to let it go.
Sooooo….. profit. I love when people talk about this “space” and go right to satisfying their investors. I understand you can’t do it without cash, but one can discern this doesn’t have a lot to do with elevating humanity.
Nice and also nicer – thank you Matt
That blonde lady is a word salad machine. Great sounding resume, but so many words…. absolutely no substance.
Typical Yale grad….lots of word salad, no meat to discussion.
Individuals who, no matter their assumed intelligence by virtue of their position, who uses "you know" as part of their sentence structure, sound less intelligent.
Anna is blowing a propaganda smoke screen up our butts. The orange dictator is not doing ANY of us any favors. If this was real she would be on the front page of every investment and media source. This is bs from Anna. We don't have a president. We have putins puppet. We ARE an authoritarian regime being run by a proxy for Russia.
Post disclosure environment? Did I miss a formal government press briefing?
Lots of words…generic names of conversations with unnamed individuals. She should be a politician
Matt, you are rockin' it!!
20:55 I like how she said people have seen a bunch of UFOs in various sectors and included New Jersey, seems like a bit of validation from the Pam "Yes Woman" Bondi stating they were FAA authorized.
Thanks Matt. Its always a pleasure to sit back and enjoy your shows . Your guests are very informative and you ask the right questions that I'm sure will help us all get to DISCLOSURE with or without the blessings of the powers that be..THANKS AGAIN
Is she confusing the hell out of anyone else here??