When Your Hero Is A Monster

When Your Hero Is A Monster



When Your Hero Is A Monster

A video about Neil Gaiman (kinda).

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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
0:02:54 The Breakup 1
0:04:30 The Allegations (CW)
0:09:04 The Breakup 2
0:18:20 Heros
0:36:57 Dead to Me
0:51:26 Catharsis
01:05:31 More than Two Sides
01:20:21 Conclusion

View Comments (50)
  1. That's because we act as if celebrities are the perfect friends or familie we never had in real life. It's better not to know anything about the personal lives of writers, musicians, etc .

  2. The only thing I read by him was Nordic Mythology, and boy oh boy, the way he celebrates the just awful ethics of Nordic gods, gratuitous, horrific violence and total lack of compassion… it was breathtakingly disgusting and, I guess, a perfect encapsulation of Gaiman’s character

  3. It sucks cus I only recently got into his work – I was basically just finishing American Gods when I heard about his crimes – which was heartbreaking, cus I really loved that book. As an aging goth kid who grew up obsessed with Marilyn Manson, that's an even bigger one for me – It pisses me off that his music was the soundtrack to so many moments of my teenage life. It all feels tainted somehow.

  4. So the part in sandman with the guy who kidnaps the muse and uses her (powers) for his own gain. That was a self reflection. How unfortunate.

  5. The thing that really kills me about all this? Gaiman will be fine. Nothing, materially, will happen to him. He'll likely even continue working, albeit more quietly than before. But you better fucking believe the trans community is left holding the ball after one of our more famous and vocal defenders turned out to be a complete scumbag. The TERFs are gonna have a god damn field day. So yeah, for me? This one doesn't just hurt, it leaves splash damage.

  6. badwrong opinions =/= accusations =/= crimes, you equated those in the intro
    Also, you have to accept that people have different sides. A good chef may be a bad parent, etcetra. It's very nice culture-ish to focus on the one thing that poisons the well and act like everyone who enjoys the good they did supports the bad part or that "the system" is hiding them and we have to get angry blablabla. People work with "monsters" because they also do good work and not necessarily know their other side. Cancellations are also usually impactful, see how a lot of Gaiman projects have been dropped the moment the scandal surfaced.

  7. I’m a big reader and I can’t “separate art from artist”. This has nothing to do with celebrity worship (which indeed is a huge problem IMHO and I’d highly recommend seeking help in general) but with knowing that in the bookshelf are works written by people who have core human values that are aligned with my own. So in the effort to decolonize and deshittify my shelf I got rid of a lot of stuff including JKR and Gaiman. Some Roald Dahl except for my now adult son’s faves. I am keeping David Foster Wallace though because there is a difference IMHO between systemic sexual assault, disgusting transphobia leveraged through a huge platform and a empathic individual who poured his troubled soul into important work. Not trying to justify abuse. Just trying to acknowledge gray areas.

  8. Women and female presenting people's bodies are not something you can just use when you feel like it. As an autistic person, I find it vile that he blames him comitting assault on his autism. Autistic women and female presenting people are more vulnerable to abuse and you demonize autism like that.

    Also, I do not get hung up on celebrities, but characters. I mostly dislike their actors because they always do something that makes me despise them. Taika Waititi supported Israel(And season 2 of Our Flag Means Death was shit, but thats neither here nor there), Benedict Cumberbatch is an ableist prick, Mark Gatiss is a pompous ass, Stephen Moffat is just a horrible person all around, Sherlock is a bad show…but I am still connected to the characters. I can forgive characters for murders, but if a celebrity is fatphobic or ableist or transphobic I have no admiration for the, I despise them. And they ALWAYS do or say vile things.

  9. For anyone who cares anyway, no! Opera is not bougie. Or, at least, it shouldn't be…

    A silly little comment in the margin by an anarchist madly passionate about opera.

  10. Liked this video quite a bit, I think you covered the topic quite well and really enjoyed your analysis of the parasocial phenomenon in regards to celebrity culture, how that translates to literature and the whole critique you've pointed to Gaiman about him becoming a brand. Also reminding people that they ought to revisit Barthes' The Death of Author with a slightly different lens and that, at least in the context of YT video essays, we haven't really been that good to that text. The whole bit with Death was just great and one of my favorite things you've done!
    Which brings me to one of the things I've been thinking about in the last several years regarding all the allegations, what if this trend from the YT left to engage in infantile idealization with their favorite authors, be they video essayists, novelists, film directors, video game creators, musicians, etc., is misguided due to one of the reasons you mention in your essay, that of celebrity culture and how it has lead many to question and ruminate their relation to their favorite pieces of media that have forever changed them and brought many joys to their life? If this brief period has taught me something, is that I should appreciate the works I love and cherish, have an immense respect for on their own ground and for their own merit, not because I attribute it all to the author in question and tend to equate everything with them. Because I do hold a stance that whenever someone has managed to create a truly great work of art, it usually transcends them and goes over and beyond the person of the author, it takes a life of its own and what you get out of it isn't necessarily just due to what the author presented you with in the overall text, but is a journey of self-discovery in a way and this dynamic more functions through what you put in and then through the process of engaging with the text get out. It's as much telling about you as it is indicative about the work overall.
    So to close my comment, appreciate the video and that Pynchon joke was killer!

  11. Dylan Thomas was a pisshead
    Jackson Pollock was a prick
    Norman Mailer hates women
    It's an end-of-season trip
    Heroes seem so from afar
    But if you meet 'em, you'll think twice
    Genius is different from the rest of us
    Most of us are nice
    — TISM Geniuses Are Turds (Extract) from De Rigueurmortis (2001),
    only 23 years ago, so fresher than that nobody mentioned at ~24:09 😛

    Started going through my head when I saw the title, continued as I started listening, when I saw the chapter heading "Heroes"… seemingly wise words from Ron Hitler-Barassi, Humphrey B. Flaubert, et al.
    [yes, I'm a 'fan' ish… but I figure, when folks hide their faces, call their own 'work product' "shit", and choose 'confronting' noms de theatre, they're at least flagging the absurdity of stanning for them.]

  12. You hit the nail on the head with this one. I've purchased Every Single Thing He's Ever Written. Even the non-fiction which I barely read; just to support an artist I adored. I was the victim of childhood sexual abuse, and, as is quite common with survivors, also survived sexual assault as both an adolescent, and again in my late 20's while in Mexico. There isn't much he could've done to repulse and disappoint me more, and has forever ruined my favorite books for me. I'm so disgusted to have shared my love of his work with my daughter and grand daughters. Disgusted.

  13. I tried very hard to understand this article. It may be that I did not understand it properly, but what I walked away with was a sense of (to use a simile) you are dismissive of the James Webb Telescope because of its reach and the broad range it can now discern, and would prefer to return to everyone using small backyard telescopes, as if this would lead to a greater sense of vision. Less access to the scope of something doth not good creation shape. But more importantly, what I am also trying to understand is the suspension of Neil Gaiman's right to innocence until proven in a court of law. He has (as far as I have checked) been accused by multiple people, which my sense of the law of averages suggests that there is (in my opinion) likelihood that if charged, he may well be found guilty of some offences. However, do you desire to live in a society where that is just assumed? That you feel repulsed by Neil Gaiman (1) is your right; you may well feel he is guilty without him being convicted as such, but would you want the same position presented against someone you are ideologically in favour of? Would you want the Tories to simply sway the court of public opinion against someone fighting to protect valuable rights in the labour movement, and be happy when they were successful, without any legal proceedings giving them cause? I hope in my heart that you would not want this to be so. And thus, I would call on you to examine whether you are being consistent.

    If I may speak for myself; I am grieving right now for the fact that a powerful, long-abusing businessman has found the means to escape the consequences for convictions that a jury of his peers found him guilty for, on 34 counts. My sense of the wheel of justices turning in a direction I considered morally right has been suspended, but the fact that it looks likely that it was all for nothing. It has shattered for now my hope that it might have been a precedent set to enable actions against many high-powered people in organisations that ride roughshod over the common rights of citizens on a daily basis, and think anonymity in the public consciousness will always secure them from consequences from their actions that destabilise us and damage the hope for a future based on greater equality. But, do I believe that because of that we should suspend all the systems of law in place and just proceed with liable and slander, assuming guilt because we feel we are righteous in the facts we have anecdotally gathered? Forgive me for being rhetorical but the answer is, definitely not. The right to innocence protects people we despise as much as it does those we care for. I will drop the rhetoric and ask you again to consider; how would you want your right to innocence handled if you or someone you loved and cared about were accused in the court of public opinion of crimes? Thank you in advance for your reply. (My opinion above is offered in peace and with respect.)

    (1) I have my own reasons on a personal level for strongly disliking Neil Gaiman. There are to do with what I perceive to be an arrogance in his representation of those greats of literature we draws heavily from, and then sneers at. My dislike of him increased to something akin to contempt when we did an online reading of 'The Raven' and put as much care and attention to it as if we were reading a train timetable. I am admitting to this to demonstrate that I have no desire to defend Gaiman because I like him. I don't. The important point is his right to the presumption of innocence should be extended regardless of my regard, or lack thereof.

    Equally, with the importance of respecting peoples' sense of self and the 'labels' they assign which help protect those projections (which I have to assume you respect), do you think it is not a bit hypocritical to label a living human being as a 'monster' and therefore seek to dehumanise him, tearing down his chance to (despite his alleged behaviour) be afforded the dignity and respect of being acknowledged a fellow human?

  14. how 'bout we seperate people from their art and never ever pay for ip. then the bad ones can't spend it on abuse and the good ones, well, you know some rich bigshot's gonna screw them anyway, and don't worship people (or gods. that really only trains you to be subservient anyway

  15. I must suffer from some forgotten childhood trauma, because I never did have any hero worship. I just see people as more or less flawed. I remember my friend being distraught when things began surfacing about Michael Jackson, while my reaction was more "Well, there you go." My friend instead soon reverted into denial.

  16. Everyone sucks. Everybody. I have done some awful things. So have you. Don’t worship anyone. Enjoy people’s work, their art, etc. I’ve always enjoyed the work of terrible human beings- William S. Burroughs, Hunter S. Thompson, Lou Reed, Lee Ving… and on and on and on. I wouldn’t want to be in the room with any of these people. Fan culture is terrible.

  17. you gonna tell us what he did, because idk, id really c, how is it even on me/ so i swon't order an unused copy of death the high cost of living like i been considering. i'm not a dcetective, da, plaintiff, judge witness. i didn't let him do shit, but what, exactly, are we so worked up over?

  18. I went through a media break up with the Assassin’s creed series a few years ago. And it really has been like a break up, i was in shock when i found out the company making the games had a culture of sweeping SA allegations under the rug, silencing affected workers, promoting the abusers or shuffling the abusers around the company, and even the ceo was in on it. And i just felt so deeply disappointed, angry and sad. So i stopped engaging in the fandom, i got rid of a lot of merch, but ive hesitant to get rid of the games. Theyve been sitting in my shelf untouched for years but i cant get rid of them because theres still a part of me that likes them. I feel like im keeping my exes shirt around.

  19. Thanks so much for helping me process this. Gman has been a formative author, especially bc my fave teachers used to recommend his works. I don't like him now, but I still love Shadow Moon.

  20. About 10 hours after this video came out, an interview with Tori Amos – Gaiman's closest female friend, he is her daughter's godfather and is a huge advocate for abuse survivors (she's a spokesperson for RAINN) – was published. She said when the news broke it was a complete and utter shock and expressed some doubt about the allegations. She's never heard anything but praise about Gaiman in 33 years. One of his accusers claimed that he mentioned Amos and RAINN to her, suggesting that he could get her a job there.

  21. nope, could not handle one more iota of superhero, even if they're gods. the last one i did (besides the many many bat properties i can't help how good they are) was rushdie's djinn kin… and the tick

  22. Sometimes your essays feel like reading catch 22. An author dancing circles around the subject in the center, like water afraid of the drain. Edging with a wink

    It's very relatable and satisfying to see the acknowledgement in the very media itself, and how it makes you double down, then suddenly snap into the real thing and then dance back out poking a tongue out and saying "this is the journey you enjoy. If it was 2 minutes of me telling you what you wanted to hear it'd be shite"

  23. Ok, i'm sure that you might have good points and all, idk, I haven't watched but a few seconds of your video. But putting Johnny Depp, in a class of monsters, when I tuned in every day on live streams, watched BOTH the UK court, and the US court, and KNOW FOR CERTAIN, his wife lied about almost everything that "made him a monster" is pure insanity. Johnny is going to live the rest of his life. I repeat, the rest of his life, with a missing piece of his finger. She sh@t on his bed. AMICA CREAM (Large, very large piece of her case) had only concept art at the time of her divorce.. IT HADN'T EVEN BEEN MADE YET! Get a flipping clue ok? Johnny isn't the monster. Amber is. Let the dumb arguement d!e, and let Jhonny just live his life.

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